COMPLAINT BLOG

BEATPORT SUCKS?

You probably stumbled across this site wondering if Beatport.com sucks (or you already think it does). If you are a lover of Beatport (and similar sites) you may not know that these sites have some huge complaints from the dance music community. Complaints on all stores (including iTunes, Juno, and just about any other you can name) are that the artists are not treated fairly -- artist complaints have risen showing an overall distaste in the low royalty payouts seen from almost every download retailer controlling the market.

Is it a problem with Beatport, or just the music business in general?

Are royalty payments fair to artists?

Is the vinyl/cd distribution royalty model a fair way to price music and music distribution?

This site exists to explore all these questions. Voice your thoughts, freely and anonymously.

SOME FACTS:

Most dance music retailers sell 320kbit downloads for $1.50 (and up) per download, but the artists get less than 0.64 cents of that.

1.) Approx. shop/label % split = 40% to shop, 60% to label
2.) Approx. common label/artist % splits: 50/50, 60/40, or 30/70.

Approx. Ave. Track Prices (per 320 download):
$1.49 - Beatport: label share ~0.89 USD
$1.45 - Digital-Tunes: label share ~0.87 USD
$1.87 - Juno; label share ~0.74 USD
$2.40 - TrackItDown; label share ~0.80 USD
* prices are as of 2011-07

Example: In a 50/50 label/artist split, if the MP3 sold for $1.64 the shop takes 0.65 USD (40%), and the aggregator takes 0.15-0.20 USD. The remaining amount ~0.82 USD goes to the label who splits with the artist, so the artist gets about 0.41 USD

OBSERVATIONS:
Labels act as a "buffer" to aid in retailer's administrative and track QA processes.
Labels provide a collective amount of promotion for the retail sites by driving traffic to their sites.

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Comment History

Honesty Firs &t .and i agree says:

"No wonder music is so worthless today. No thanks to worthless reprobates mass-manufacturing worthless copies of the same dull noise. ..i say its the best thing ive read in a long time..

2014-09-28 12:21


Bunnyman says:

"Beatport fucked up all time top 100 from their genres just to promote shitty new artists who know nothing about real stuff. My main gripe is about Trance.

2014-09-26 03:47


bumnuts says:

"than you can say edm. end of story (for all of us.)

2014-09-22 12:36


bumleg says:

"can you say retarted?

2014-09-22 12:35


Anonymous says:

"Beatport reminds me of the saying "art imitates life imitates art..." Basically, Beatport is just a collection of the current waves of shit music that are being produced. BUT the reason this shit exists in the first place is because people are making it on purpose so they can get on Beatport. Then Beaport yet again just becomes a reflection of what is currently out there. In the sea of thousands and thousands of identical sounding "artists" - once every year a stand out producer - who for whatever reason sounds different to the sheep - becomes famous. Then all the sheep follow. Then we have a million soundalikes again. Then in one year's time someone new comes along, then everybody sounds like that. It's an endless sea of imitators. Every year young kids are discovering electronic music and are attempting to make tracks at home. Because they have no original ideas, the best they can do is copy someone else. Eventually their dream comes true and they manage to release their turd on Beatport. Cycle repeats.

2014-09-21 16:22


dumbo says:

""1.) Approx. shop/label % split = 40% to shop, 60% to label"

that is incorrect. the average split is: beatport immediately takes %60 and of the 40% the distributor takes 10-15% (weekly/monthly) and the label gets 25% (monthly/quarterly). from that label 25% the artist gets 50% (9-15 months after the sale!). from that artist 50% the remixer gets 25%.

so if a sale for one song today is for $2 the artist who made the damn song in the first place basically only gets $0.34 cents (AT MOST!) and a year after somebody bought it. and this is only if the label feels like reporting or paying the artist. usually labels dont pay after the first or a couple of reports.

IT IS NOTHING MORE THAN ONE BIG SCAM!

2014-09-17 21:14


sniperschool is a wannabe twat says:

"so does gearslutz. make a site called gearslutzsucks.com PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2014-09-17 21:02


Anonymous says:

"www.digital-tunes.net cheapest shop, always on point!

2014-09-17 14:40


Honesty First says:

"Beatport is a place kids buy throw away noise until they discover music.

I couldn't care less how the so called "artists" are treated because they are polluting the music industry with the biggest pile of shit imaginable. When ever you listen to the "TOP TRACKS", you realise very quickly that it is near impossible to distinguish anything. It's all the fucking same.

It's a place for talentless hacks to upload their sample based, preset reliant, genre-fixed, generic brickwall "kick-Snare" dross.
Every track is SO simple & formulaic that you could literally rap out an album a day, under a different name, & treat it more like a raffle than an art form. There's clearly no love or vision behind this shit. It's one giant fuck fest of hammered kicks & crackling claps for those that are living in the past; thinking that house is still new. It's not. It's the kind of servile trite that sounds old the moment it gets released.

It really offends real artists. The sounds are all the same, the drums are not only in the same time meter, tempo & rhythm set but they are all from the same source, treated in the same way, on the same few crappy cracked programs, & you know exactly what is going to happen & when. It's a real no-brainer.

Who will be listening to ANY of these turds in 10 years time? Think about that. That's because it isn't art. It's bad habits diseased by no-bodies.

No wonder music is so worthless today. No thanks to worthless reprobates mass-manufacturing worthless copies of the same dull noise.

Can't create music? Give em' a genre to follow instead. Watch Beatport make millions off of these idiots.

If there are any decent music enthusiasts left reading this.. please avoid all the commercial shit & the next time you see an small unique artists with a few thousand views swimming against the tide... Give them some credit for staying true to music. Support them.

2014-09-15 15:14


Anonymous says:

"can anyone suggest an alternative way to buy music in a way that benefits the artist more?

2014-09-13 08:02


Anonymous says:

"what the fuck is up with iTunes displaying all the fucking music that I don't want on my iphone its totally redundant! if I wanted it I would have put on my music list! uuuugghhh!

2014-08-26 21:16


Anonymous says:

"Hello BIG SCREAMING BIG BUYER OF LESSLOSS

CAN YOU PROVE YOUR CLAIMS? Which song did you check?

Thank you.

2014-08-25 05:43


Anonymous says:

"It wouldn't be so bad if they had a library system. I mean seriously, I payed for the track I should be allowed to download it as many times as I please. Why is Bp so special that they've got to limit their PAYING CUSTOMERS to download their track that the PAYED FOR only once? That makes little sense. Amazon doesn't do it, iTunes doesn't do it, in fact I think bp is the only site that does this. It's really push customers (like me) away.

2014-08-24 17:04


BIG BUYER OF LESSLOSS says:

"BEATPORT ARE SELLING 20% FAKE WAV's (CONVERTED MP3's FROM 128KBS TO 320KBS)
JUNODOWNLOAD, TRACKITDOWN, TRAXSOURCE ARE DOING AS MUCH AND THE WORST OF ALL IS DJTUNES THAT ARE SELLING JOINT STEREO CONVERTED MP3'S.

NOW I'M GETTING REALY MAD ABOUT THIS FACT AND I'M PREPARING A DETAILED REPORT WITH THE FBI, THAT IS GOING TO KNOCK BEATPORT FOR FRAUD. (AND COUPLE OF OTHER SITES TOO)

IT IS THE REPONSABILITY OF THE WEB STORES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRACKS THEY ARE SELLING ARE REAL LOOSLESS FILES.

PUTTING THE FAULT ON THE LABELS THAT SENT THE TRACKS IS JUST ANNOTHER WAY TO PUT THE FAULT ON SOMEONE ELSE.
WHO IS SELLING THE MUSIC??? THE STORE!!!

SO, THE STORE HAVE TO CHECKOUT THE SPECTRAL RESOLUTION OF ALL THE INCOMING TRACKS.

IF SOME TRACKS ARE NOT REAL LOSSLESS THEY HAVE TO BE SOLD AS MP3 ONLY.

SELLING CONVERTED MP3's IN WAV IS FRAUD, AND WILL BE PUNISH BY LAW FOR THAT.

WHEN SOMEBODY IS PAYING 3$ OR MORE FOR A WAV TRACK THE LESS TO EXPECT IS INTEGRITY.

HOW TO CHECK TRACK RESOLUTION??
GET A SOFTWARE THAT IS EQUIPPED WITH SPECTRAL ANALISYS.
ADOBE AUDITION IS PRETTY GOOD FOR THAT.

YOU HAVE SOME DETAILS ABOUT THESE FACT, FEEL FREE TO REPORT, THE MORE WE GOT THE HARDEST WE GONNA PUNCH.
WE GONNA LOOK FOR NEW POST ON THIS RIGHT HERE.

2014-08-18 21:47


sniperschool says:

"hands down THE very best website ever.

listen.. for you green ass fuckwads trying to get rich and famous.. go..to..mc..donalds..eat... rethink life. fuck your fat ugly girl.. eat more.. drink some.. make "music".. drink more.. wake up and make mom make some eggs.. go out and get a fucking job at clown face and listen to the world around you dumb ass.. you never learned an instrument because you are lazy. you will never be famous for more than your ugly ass on yahoos porn page. now give up... you lose......

2014-08-16 13:02


Anonymous says:

"because you are a cunt jules, thats why. now go eat ye fahhhh-king poorage ya bastahhhd squid fahhhk.

2014-08-16 12:53


jules stranden says:

"ybuybeatportwhenicandownloadfree

2014-08-16 12:50


Tony says:

"Juno and DT gone. At last beatport has some trance, I seen some sites getting into more DNB more deep house more bullshit. Removing trance going with trends. Really f i vote with money they don't like it ill never support any of this assholes. I been following electronic music and many since 2000 and these more and more release sites are getting mediocre.

2014-08-09 09:49


Anonymous says:

"The main problem is that anybody can "run a label" and the shit get's out here.

2014-08-08 01:17


A non-complainer says:

"I am completely amazed that almost all of the comments here are just rants. Even this site is pretty odd.

If you don't like paying for music, don't listen to it. Music, as with all other luxuries, is not meant to be for free. However, I guess if you feel like some kind of anarchist for torrenting you can be my guest.

Music has not declined and there is nothing wrong with "Button Pressers". Music isn't about technical talent. It is about invoking emotions in your audience. Elvis did that, Foals do that, Chase & Status do that. People who complain about modern music being shit should simply not listen to it- it'd definitely give you one less thing to complain about.

Finally, you must remember that sales on sites like these account to just a fraction of the musician's earnings. Tours, gigs, hard sales and appearances all account for a much larger percentage.

Its almost like saying that a video game is being ripped off by Game when it sells to other stores, online retail and has other sources of income.

2014-08-05 15:06


Anonymous says:

"It's called BUSINESS!!!!!

2014-08-03 21:07


Anonymous says:

"I'm assuming this website was made by someone who sucks so much they never got signed to any label so they made a website to bitch and complain... Lmao. Get a life you ignorant losers.

2014-07-21 08:40


alostfraggle says:

"I accidentally deleted a folder with a lot of music in it. I went to get it back from places like Amazon, Soundcloud, but when I went to Beatport they don't allow you to re-download the music..? WTF..?!?

2014-07-02 08:19


Anonymous says:

"My biggest problem is that searching for tracks lets you buy a mixed track from within an album.

For an example search "Dillinja Twist em out" and you get several hits that say "Dillinja Twist Em Out (original mix)" yet none of these are actually the mixable full release you'd get on an LP.

2014-06-30 16:28


Anonymous says:

"Fuck off territory restrictions. Tracks should be available for all countries, period.

2014-06-29 23:13


Anonymous says:

"In old days an LP would cost you around 20 bucks. Artist would get 10% at max which is 0,20 cents for 12 tracks. Getting 0.60 to 0.70 cents per track today on 1,50 is almost 50% which is 500% more than in the old times. These days making money per track is surely better paid than ever. Just more competition and that is good for quality or at least appreciation of the artist. It's a real market guys....

2014-06-25 21:31


SVTVN says:

"..have to put in my 2 cents here.

I've really been getting into a part of the EDM scene, more of the Dn'B side of it. I'm seeing hate for generally EDM though? Are we 12? Let's face it, there's many groups of no or low talent hacks in ALL genres. Elvis couldn't play guitar for shit, Tim McGraw's dad bought him into music, Lil Wayne....lol, Boston couldn't play a live show...I could go on. And I actually like most of the aforementioned artists too, but if you're looking for talent in the music industry, look elsewhere! I'm still reminded of that old joke that being a music artist is 10% talent and 90% image.

Yet I find myself agreeing with you guys on the basis that a lot of the music IS repetitive and live shows aren't quite interesting (dude you pressed a button and half the song played? wow). And there's a lot of other stuff I could say. But if you actually feel that strongly, put on your producer cap and help me change this shit!

Anyway, about Beatport. Getting into Dn'B, it's hard to find these tracks. The distribution of some of the most cutting edge production I've heard is terrible. Sometimes I can only find a vinyl (guys like Dillinja and C4C make their music stupid hard to find). And sometimes....I will find it on Beatport. And man do I hate all these virtual accounts. I've got iTunes and they don't have much at all (used it for years, songs I've wanted in many genres have never been found there). With that said, I really wouldn't get another account especially one like Beatport where the music will be just as limited for other tracks.

Artists need to get their shit together and independently distribute downloads through their own websites. Like what Xae was saying, but it should really be done on the artists' own website using a download widget (this isn't rocket science, guys). Yeah, their definitely laws on how it needs be done, probably taxation and/or transfer yada yada. But the thing is, whoever figures their shit right ain't gona get worked over by the industry. One less middleman. I don't think I'm saying something impossible? Independent download distribution? Or at least through easier services unlike beatport or itunes. If someone doesn't figure out, I'm waiting for Walmart to invade the scene.

Or hey, maybe these dudes should go the wiz khalifa route before RP and stick with straight free mix tapes. Promotion is worth more than a download. Peace

2014-06-18 00:39


Anonymous says:

"music is still a lot of money. 2.50 for a 5 minute song is extremely overpriced. i try to support the artists, but it is not cheap. In addition, with multiple songs coming out every week it adds up.

2014-06-12 11:19


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2014-06-11 08:44


music.back.then says:

"EDM...EDM...SOUNDS CHEAP...ALOT OF THESE SO CALLED NEW PRODUCERS SOUND CHEAP..PRESET BOFFINS...I BET NONE OF THEM CAN PLAY AN INSTRUMENT LIVE

2014-06-11 08:42


Anonymous says:

"i hear a couple of tunes today that are good..the rest..average at best..not like it used to be....sales not what they used to be...

2014-06-11 08:36


Anonymous says:

"The price of MP3's should go up to get more for the artist, simple... File sharing is a major problem too, not to mention torrents and MP3Skull type sites. Artists are getting butt raped!

2014-06-10 19:23


Anonymous says:

"why does everyone seem to be so reluctant to advise how many sales artists are getting per track, eg, sales volumes average,range and frequency per track. would,like to know how many tracks are being sold by certain artists, ie, 500, 300 etc.

2014-06-07 09:22


Anonymous says:

"http://www.onlythebeat.com/editorials/2014/03/25/hack-beatport-buy-way-top-10/

2014-06-06 14:44


Anonymous says:

"Not sure what beatport are doing, but it's pretty critical. I've used it a couple of times but I mainly use bandcamp because both record labels and artists have setup shop there.

Give up on music? Nice opinion! I'll sit here enjoying all this wonderful psychedelic/ethnic fusion that I love and you can sit around listening to the drone of the computer fan.

2014-05-30 04:16


Anonymous says:

"Beatport is a genuinely terrible website. I unfortunately had to go on to download a song to use in a video. I've heard this is where everyone legally buys music nowadays.

First I made an account and forgot my password. The password reset email they sent was hideous and didn't explicitly state where I should click to return to beatport to reset my password. Then they require your password to have a number in it, which is also ridiculous.

I finally go to check out, and the checkout window freezes on me. I think this is due to beatport trying to do neat tricks with pop-over windows that just doesn't seem to work well, or maybe worked well in 2006 or something.

I reload the page, attempt to pay with paypal, and i mistakenly entered the wrong zip code. I get all the way through the check out process and all I get is a big error message (in caps!) telling me my transaction was declined.

All in all, I'd avoid this site like the plague, and am amazed that it's so popular.

What the fuck, beatport?

2014-05-26 21:11


Anonymous says:

"Beatport is a genuinely terrible website. I unfortunately had to go on to download a song to use in a video. I've heard this is where everyone legally buys music nowadays.

First I made an account and forgot my password. The password reset email they sent was hideous and didn't explicitly state where I should click to return to beatport to reset my password. Then they require your password to have a number in it, which is also ridiculous.

I finally go to check out, and the checkout window freezes on me. I think this is due to beatport trying to do neat tricks with pop-over windows that just doesn't seem to work well, or maybe worked well in 2006 or something.

I reload the page, attempt to pay with paypal, and i mistakenly entered the wrong zip code. I get all the way through the check out process and all I get is a big error message (in caps!) telling me my transaction was declined.

All in all, I'd avoid this site like the plague, and am amazed that it's so popular.

What the fuck beatport?

2014-05-26 21:11


Anonymous says:

"beatport is shit, way to many producers who cant produce

2014-05-08 04:30


Anonymous says:

"rip off....dont buy anything

2014-04-30 16:26


Anonymous says:

"MUSIC TODAY IS CRAP U ALL KNOW IT...ALOAD OF BUTTON PRESSERS..GET BACK TO MACDONALLDS TWAT

2014-04-29 00:33


Anonymous says:

"yor all fagots

2014-04-25 13:04


Anonymous says:

"Beatport ist fucking great, I buy there every time with coupons.
This way it's the cheapest out there and quality is fine. LAME 3.97 codec on mp3s, but it will have a reason they're not using the latest one, I guess. Cheers!

2014-04-25 06:52


Ryan says:

"Beatport is a genuinely terrible website. I unfortunately had to go on to download a song to use in a video. I've heard this is where everyone legally buys music nowadays.

First I made an account and forgot my password. The password reset email they sent was hideous and didn't explicitly state where I should click to return to beatport to reset my password. Then they require your password to have a number in it, which is also ridiculous.

I finally go to check out, and the checkout window freezes on me. I think this is due to beatport trying to do neat tricks with pop-over windows that just doesn't seem to work well, or maybe worked well in 2006 or something.

I reload the page, attempt to pay with paypal, and i mistakenly entered the wrong zip code. I get all the way through the check out process and all I get is a big error message (in caps!) telling me my transaction was declined.

All in all, I'd avoid this site like the plague, and am amazed that it's so popular.

What the fuck beatport?

2014-04-23 17:07


Anonymous says:

"I never pay for music, and therefore, I do not care.

2014-04-17 11:59


Anonymous says:

"my balls get hard when i have to pay for tracks that i like. :(

2014-04-16 08:00


NEO says:

""A lot of tracks are removed unexpectedly, and the region locks are not only ridiculous, but reduce profit for the label."
Exactly, I AM TRYING TO STOP PIRATING AWESOME MUSIC YOU FUCKS, LET ME GET MY MUSIC!!!!

2014-04-12 15:24


Anonymous says:

"I download torrents so I don't pay for shit

2014-04-12 08:03


Anonymous says:

"bitches give up music u shit. it all sucks

2014-04-10 06:52


Anonymous says:

"A lot of tracks are removed unexpectedly, and the region locks are not only ridiculous, but reduce profit for the label.

2014-04-01 14:05


Anonymous says:

"they all shit..fuck dance

2014-03-27 10:30


Anonymous says:

"A new site seems to have popped up.

www.htfrd.com

They're cheaper than Juno on WAVs. Plus, they do AIFFs and FLACs.

You can also listen to any part of the track unlike Beatpoor. They have good range of genres, better than Juno even, at least the set the genres on track level rather than blanketing a release as dubstep when there's drum & bass tracks on there.

Not only that, they also let you set how your tracks are downloaded. So rather that a random sequence of numbers (Beatpoor), you can have artist, title, label, year, genre & BPM in any fooking order!

2014-03-13 06:27


Anonymous says:

"Its more like
40/60 shop to distributor
from that, the distributor takes half before paying the label, then the label splits in half with the artist

2014-03-09 21:07


Abroham Lincolon says:

"Use Bandcamp, like some other guy said. Much better for the artists, because they actually get a more fair piece of the revenue, and YOU CAN DOWNLOAD ACTUAL HIGH QUALITY FILES!!! iTunes sells crappy 256kbps AAC files for $1.30...Most other sites have mediocre variable bitrate mp3s or even 192; Some sell 320 which is good quality for an mp3; Bandcamp allows you to download in HIGH QUALITY for the same price or less: FLAC, ALAC, Ogg Vorbis, as well as regular lossy files like mp3s and AAC.

Move humanity and civilization forward and stop buying from Beatport and iTunes: buy from Bandcamp. No more crappy audio quality, crappy treatment of musicians, or putting up with this crappy crap.

2014-03-01 11:23


Anonymous says:

"Quit your bitching. If you don't like beatport, don't use it and make your own stupid company. I actually think an artist getting the aforementioned cuts is pretty damn good.

Wtf is with people thinking that just b/c you sang or made a song you deserve every fuckin penny?

You aren't doing the marketing. You aren't doing the advertising. You aren't doing the promoting. Without that shit, I don't care how good you are, you're going nowhere.

Get over yourselves. The music industry is bigger than just artistry.

2014-03-01 07:38


Spencer says:

"Besdies the above,
No way to download an entire album without installing a fucking downloader or clicking like 20 download links
File names are useless
Id3 tags aren't readable by WMP
overpriced

Bandcamp shits on beatport, easy solution is don't publish music on it! amazing!

2014-02-26 19:36


john from beatport says:

"still sucking..in 2014 fuck music

2014-02-25 06:51


dj digital ding dong says:

"BEATPORT RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!















if you're a total wanker

2014-02-17 21:05


znork says:

"I wonder if my data is save with them:

After about half a year I tried to log in, but there was an error saying my account was blocked for security reasons. Send an email to the support and was able to log into my account again.

But:
There were items in my cart that I definitely didnt put there. Totally differnet genre.

And when I tried to check out, credit card credentials from some other peson in San Diego, US were shown (I´m from Germany).

2014-02-12 12:44


Kneedless says:

"Everyone should use Bandcamp, it's cheaper for the consumer and the artists get 85% :D and I find the site friendlier overall

2014-02-12 06:50


Anonymous says:

"can anybondy give me this fucking email adress of this Anton guy, who offer Beatport Manipulation??

2014-02-05 04:50


LeoMM says:

"I'm definitely moved to KiteBit for selling the tracks. It has souncloud and youtube previews integration and I promote through my social networks instead of having Beatport doing the work for me.

2014-02-05 03:25


dj fuck says:

"fuck you all

2014-01-15 14:22


Some random dude says:

"Wow, some hateful comments in here. I agree Beatport isn't the best site for artists to make an income but it does one very important thing and thats create exposure. I've found that music itself isn't really valued by listeners anymore as its so easy to find music illegally for free. So personally I release all my music on Bandcamp as a pay what you want, 75% of people will just take it for free (which I have no problem with, let them enjoy it) and the other 25% will pay well above what you would ever expect. The only downside of using such a distribution medium is that your left with the job of promotion. Ultimately though, this method provides you with an ever growing fan base that you can personally contact via email, keeping them informed of new releases.

Also just a note to the haters of Digital DJ's. Music is evolving, as is music technology. I personally miss the days of Technics at every gig however, luckily I learnt cdjs as they were simply another tool to take advantage of. Eventually I started finding that gigs didn't even have turntables setup (which is a real downer when you rock up with a giant crate of records and a backup cd case with very few songs in there) so I started experimenting with other methods of playing music. Eventually I stumbled on Ableton and instead of using it for traditional mixing, developed it into a live remixing tool. Personally I really enjoy this way of performing and appreciate that everyone has their own methods of playing or performing, that is the beauty of it.

It's true its become exceptionally easy for anyone to instantly become a "DJ" with such advanced tools easily available and at a cheap price. However I would like to point out that all this creative expression as a whole is pushing the boundaries of music itself. If your in it for the love of music, surely you agree the evolution of music and technology is always welcome.

My advice to all artists is to sell music directly to the public, it is however important that you take advantage of all distribution methods available. Put a couple tunes out through big companies such as Beatport but consider that as an advertising cost and save your best music for your true fans.

2014-01-14 07:47


Fuck Digital DJs says:

"The big problem here is that people were all making money when things were first and foremost on 12". the labels, the artists, the distributors, the DJs, the record plants, the stores. They were all making money.
It's time to say fuck you to the commercial bullshit and return to the hard copy = real value = real sales model. If your material sucks, no DJ will play it if it costs real money and there is hard cash on the line. too many artists out there suck. too many labels push shit. Real DJs are being sidelined by "superstars" who are mostly eurotrash hacks that are cashing out as fast as they possibly can to make a buck before it all collapses like disco did in 1979.
We need to reject Digital DJs, from the basement club to the superstar festival level. We need to do it now and do it in force. It will weed out the fakers and the fashionistas and get us back to a music business model that was doing just fine until Armin/Armada fucked it all up.

2014-01-12 23:59


Anonymous says:

"Their in-site search engine for tracks, artists and labels cannot find what you're looking for unless you spell the obscure european artist with an unspellable name you were searching for correctly.

2013-12-29 13:19


ONE OF THOSE ABUSED DJ. says:

"DJTUNES ARE SELLING FAKE LOSSLESS TRAKES AT FULL PRICE AND NOBODY DO NOTHING TO STOP THEM!!!
I TOTALY AGREE WITH THIS GUY, THEY ARE SELLING FAKE LOSLESS TRACKS!!!

2013-12-27 12:06


ONE OF THOSE DJ says:

"FRAUDING SITES LIKE DJ TUNE IS EVEN WORST THAN ALL THAT!!!THEY ARE SELLING FAKE LOSSLESS TRACKS AT FULL PRICE AND NOBODY DO NOTHING TO STOP THEM.
I'VE BOUGHT COUPLE OF TRACKS FROM THEM AND DID CHECK THE SPECTRAL VIEW IN ADOBE AUDITION TO REALISE THAT ALL THE TRACKS I HAVE BOUGHT IN FLAC WAS MP3'S AT 320KBS JOINT STEREO.

2013-12-27 12:02


Computer says yes says:

"WE NEED A NEW BUSINESS MODEL FOR SELLING DIGITAL MUSIC THAT PAYS THE COPYRIGHT OWNERS FAIRLY -period end of conversation.

Until then, buy direct from the artist on their website!!!

2013-12-15 21:18


Anonymous says:

"listen to aphrodidte woman that rolls
then listen to the youtube version witch is a vinyl rip. can you say highpass filter? i downloaded the .wav from beatport to check it out, same deal, no bass. picked up the vinyl, tons of bass. im not sure what happened here but it seems like someone possibly riped a vinyl and cut the bass out and posted it to beatport. and that is year 2000? whats going on here.

2013-11-29 00:44


Xae says:

"Best way of selling your music is directly to the fans. That work best if you have an audience that appreciates what you do, and will be more than happy to go to your website or social networks to pay you for the stuff you do. Many DJs are trying this on services like KiteBit, Gumroad, TopSpin, and many others.

And ok, still is good to have your music at big marketplaces like iTunes, Beatport or Amazon, just in case someone stumbles upon it, but if you can get folks to buy directly from you your benefit margin will increase like 70% or more.

In fact I think in little time a good critical mass will do this and things are going to look good for the artists.

2013-11-27 13:54


Xae says:

"Best way of selling your music is directly to the fans. That work best if you have an audience that appreciates what you do, and will be more than happy to go to your website or social networks to pay you for the stuff you do. Many DJs are trying this on services like KiteBit, Gumroad, TopSpin, and many others.

And ok, still is good to have your music at big marketplaces like iTunes, Beatport or Amazon, just in case someone stumbles upon it, but if you can get folks to buy directly from you your benefit margin will increase like 70% or more.

In fact I think in little time a good critical mass will do this and things are going to look good for the artists.

2013-11-27 11:34


Anonymous says:

"All electronic producers eat cock anyway

2013-11-26 19:19


Anonymous says:

"it doesnt matter if you are a small artist or major label famous they pay like $0.000001 per stream - no one makes any money from it except the company owner doing the streaming and getting the advertising money every month. this is the whole scam ruining the industry.

2013-11-24 02:33


Anonymous says:

"Don't stream music. That means Pandora/spotify. They pay the artist based on popularity of the track, meaning a small artist could make close to nothing. The only way an artist can benefit from spotify is by either selling out or getting a break and making it.

2013-11-21 17:27


Anonymous says:

"Why has it become acceptable for certain labels and artists to use multiple accounts and ip blockers to buy their tracks to the top of the charts?

2013-11-08 07:15


Bo says:

"Does anyone know if beatport labels are supposed to keep 100% of your copy right ..

2013-11-07 20:10


JackinHouse says:

"Just read a great article on Beatport issues at FutureMusic's Blog: http://futuremusic.com/blog/2013/11/01/whats-wrong-with-beatport/

2013-11-04 08:06


Anonymous says:

"amen.

2013-11-03 10:18


bozo the clown says:

"cheaper store price = less money to artists. the store still gets the same amount and if cheaper price means more customers, they end up making even more money than with higher prices. the only people who lose are artists.

the only fair store is a store that doesnt take any sales % and pays artists the full amount every month. the stores make money from site traffic and advertising. this is how an illegal download site makes tens of millions every year - advertising. stores are just greedy, they want more than the advertising money, they want artists money too. BUY DIRECT FROM THE ARTISTS!!!

2013-10-31 12:03


Anonymous says:

"Only store with any genuine care for the artists is Bleep. You don't have to remortgage your wife to buy lossless from them either it's cheaper than a beatport wav. it's better as it's genuine and not a 320 converted up (we know you do it) and there is flac available. all at £1.49. i haven't used beatport for 2 years now..... Warp it

2013-10-30 14:39


Anonymous says:

"I've been reading this and I agree with most of what people seem to be saying. I have however noticed a disagreement on the topic of whether or not beatport is fair in comparison to other digital stores. It would be nice to know which are the most fair.

2013-10-29 13:15


god says:

"a men.

2013-10-28 04:01


Anonymous says:

"dont stream anything and buy music direct from artist. we hold the power.

2013-10-25 13:44


joe bloggs says:

"TECH HAS ALSO PLAYED A PART ...THE COMPUTER DOES EVERYTHING FOR THEM....FUCK IT EVEN PLAYS CHORDS NOW ..THE BEST HAS GONE.FACT FACT FACT FACT

2013-10-19 09:53


VINYL. RECORDS says:

"BOLLOCKS....NOBODY WANTS TO BUY ANYTHING ANYMORE THEY HAD IT FREE FOR TO LONG.DOWNLOADING FOR NOWT SO WHY PAY NOW..THE INTENET IS FUCKED THE WHOLE LOT OF IT.......ITS ALL MCDONALDS FAST FOOD GARBAGE

2013-10-19 09:49


Anonymous says:

"nah.. they already got the trailer trash tabloid e-shit down. dumbasses are gonna pay for ad space of BIG NEWS: 'OH LOOK, skrillex REMIXED GAGA AND BEIBER AGAIN, NOW HE SAYS< DJ LIKE THIS.. when my NI controller and laptop suck, we like to.. um.. stand there and act cool? if you aint got thousand dolla shpoes, you be faking shit......... fags

2013-10-18 15:00


Anonymous says:

"by the way... overall beatport-sales are at alltime low now.
the shit is over soon.

2013-10-17 15:33


Anonymous says:

"please tell me a store that doesnt suck and take 50% for doing nothing but hosting a file?

2013-10-11 01:13


Anonymous says:

"more news about streaming and how sites are killing music.

http://www.nme.com/news/radiohead/73097

2013-10-08 18:58


dom deluise says:

"@ "strike", "hack" ? you so clever(insert facepalm emo).

admin: please ban this idiots ip so we can get back to serious discussions here.

also feel free to post his ip me and friends can track him down and hack HIS sites as well as email.. os virus et al :))))

2013-10-08 18:56


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2013-10-08 16:03


Anonymous says:

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2013-10-08 16:02


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2013-10-08 15:57


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2013-10-08 15:57


sven says:

"just want to say f*ck you! to all the people who use spotify.

thank you for your time.

2013-10-05 18:25


fred says:

"beatports newsletter is like reading a tabloid. what a bunch of hipster wannnabes

2013-10-03 20:34


joe bloggs says:

"very rare you hear something very good today...rare indeed on beatport or traxsource..its like maybe 1 in every 30.records...thats just ok...THE TRUTH THAT

2013-10-02 05:11


george hairy bush says:

"yeah, I agree w/you george jr.

2013-09-28 15:54


george hairy bush says:

"FUCK BEAPORT FUCK TRAXSOURCE FUCK EM ALL..ALL SHIT MUSIC FROM TALENTLESS FOOLS WITH ABELTON...WITH A CONTROLLER THAT HAS 3 NOTES..A JOKE

2013-09-27 08:14


Tom says:

"If you care about the artist and music you love and the music industry in general, boycott all streaming services (Spotify, Pandora etc...)and buy music from the artist, not some store that pays them a few pennies for every dollar you spend, a year later! It is our only hope.

2013-09-20 18:12


george hairy bush says:

"retards/ now can we get back on topic?

2013-09-18 19:59


the iron sheik says:

"@اصلا

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2013-09-18 19:56


alaakmadd says:

""ludicrous prices for WAV and M4A upgrades. They are making a fortune"... the prices are right, it's just that the money doesn't go to the person who made the song. THAT is the problem.

You listen, you like, you buy... the money leaves your hand.. goes to Beatport (or wherever, some anonymous cunt in BFINYNLCD) and then NEVER goes to the person who actually made the song you bought. They immediately take 60% instant cash to them (BP)... another 15-30% to the distribution, then the label takes 1/2 of whatever is left... the person who made the damn song gets SHIT!!!! AND.. it will be like a year (if ever) they get money for the sales from the first 3 months.............. fu................ka.........u......a

BUY DIT|RECT so we can kill this bullshit system.. support the artists you like and fuck the thieves, spotify, beatport etc............................................................

2013-09-18 10:21


Anonymous says:

"FUCKING BUTTON PRESS MUGS..GET A PROP JOB...DJ MUGS

2013-09-18 01:53


Jason says:

"Honestly the Thing that pisses me off about Beatport are its ludicrous prices for WAV and M4A upgrades. They are making a fortune on that side of the business as they have monopolized the digital Lossless market. Hopefully they'll find some real competition to get them to lower their damn prices. I also am getting tired of the work people output in the music field but get an unfair payment back after using a Label and THEN a second layer of a Music Distribution site WHICH both take royalties. It's ridiculous. How the hell is the artist supposed to make a living off of music if the Labels and Music Distribution sites a huge cut of his pay? Absolutely Ridiculous.

2013-09-14 23:27


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2013-09-09 21:20


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2013-09-09 21:19


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2013-09-09 21:15


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2013-09-09 21:14


Anonymous says:

"You get ripped off?
Oh well, really depends on how much money you have to spend

2013-09-09 06:05


Jose says:

"I belive you. you get ripped off! I dont know itunes because I never bought a song from them but isnt it like .99 cents for the song? that is too cheaper and not enough for a artist to get anything after all the others people take the %. I think 1.50 for mp3 and 2.50 for wave file is fair price if the artist is get all or most of the money.

2013-09-06 08:45


DJ ELETEX says:

"Its true that artists are barley getting any money. I released. a remix, it got 7 reviews on itunes. and I'm sure not to many people go back and comment on music when they buy it so i know that at least 10 people got it within the first month. and how much did i get? One cent. literally. Its ridiculus how thers people famous for the most stupid reasona while there are people who actually know stuff. people who deserve to be famous.

2013-09-05 23:06


Ben F says:

"wrong. first of all "distribution fee's 10-20%" is very low. while 15% is possible if your label roster includes consistently top selling names/releases (ie you have bargaining power), most want a standard 20-25% and some even charge as much as 30%. pathetic when we're talking about digital distribution which requires little to no effort on their part. if you think I am wrong and you truly are getting 10% then by all means share the name and link of this company proving so.

re: beatport, you cant "beat" 100%, so selling artist-to-consumer direct would pay the best. and if you use beatport distribution they are taking upwards of 65% right off the top of each sale. they get the cash immediately while the label and artist have to wait months if not a year or more to get paid. it is a completely ridiculous system!

if you were smart, as a label owner, you would sell direct to the consumer. otherwise, you are losing not only that 65%, but potential sales to people like me who refuse to support the rip off leeches of the industry. all of the retail stores, facebook, twitter, obviously google... all of em are ripping the industry off. the other post before you is exactly right. most of the money is going to people who have nothing to do with music. if you disagree you are living in denial simple as.

bottom line is, if you dont sell direct, I wont buy your product, period.

2013-09-05 22:02


Tobes says:

"Youve not taken into account the distribution fee's 10-20% and then the expenses for mastering, artwork, promotion etc, as much as you want to cause upset, Beatport probably pays the best out of all the shops, so what the fuck are you on about, Ive run a label for nearly 10 years, and of all the shops, beatport pays the label/artist the best.

2013-09-05 01:15


dakota fred says:

"@alan.b (and others)...

the "business" is more alive than ever before, consumer consumption of music is higher than ever before, more money is being made from music now than ever before in the history of mankind. the difference is that now all of the money goes in the pockets of people who have nothing to do with music.

blahblahblah... its real funny until the artist you like cant afford to make music anymore forcing you to listen to sub par music-by-number sample loop preset copycat corporate regurgitated crap. by supporting the thieves you are in effect deleting your future choices of entertainment. and that future is constantly arriving sooner rather than later.

it works likes this:

if your favorite artist "XYZ" has no money to pay rent, bills and buy food, much less pay for session musicians, new equipment, artwork, video, websites and marketing, mixing, mastering and everything else required to make a song, then "XYZ" must find another source of income, such as working 50 hours a week at tacobell just to survive. this means now "XYZ" has no time to make music anymore and you no longer have new "XYZ" music to listen to. "XYZ" is dead. caput. la frenia. na de. mei you. 0. zilch. finite. bye bye. 88. see ya.

meanwhile, some musically retarded web tech person in silicone valley is laughing all the way to the bank to pick up their monthly million dollar advertising revenue payment made from giving away stolen "XYZ" music to YOU the streaming downloader.

now that "XYZ" is gone, silicone valley web tech person is moving on to the next artist (victim) - repeat all of the above.

YOU ARE KILLING YOUR FAVORITE ARTISTS.

2013-09-04 18:30


alan.b says:

"the buissness was dead a long time ago..where money is concerned..does anyboady buy music of these sights or what..i thoought you just download them for nothing

2013-09-03 01:45


Anonymous says:

"i always loved vinyl records...you coudnt download them if you didnt have it.

2013-09-03 01:40


Anonymous says:

"abcds..i coudnt of said it any better.correct indeed you are

2013-09-03 01:33


abcds says:

"The sites that give away music for free and-or stream music make money through premium subscriptions and advertisements. The companies that advertise pay BIG money for that ad space. If it is an illegal download site, they pay nothing to the copyright owners. If it is a legal site that streams music (or videos), they pay literally fractions of 1 cent ($0.00001) per stream. Even a top song with millions of streams and-or downloads, the copyright owner will only make a few dollars. It is nothing short of a scam and downright stealing. It IS killing the music industry and in turn hurting the consumer due to lack of quality being offered.

So you see, these companies offering streaming and free downloads (owned by get rich quick, non-musician, tech-mafia types) are making millions of dollars every year, while artists, copyright owners and the music industry as whole are getting NOTHING. This is why the quality of content and artists are getting worse every year. Without time and money (fair royalties!) to live and create quality content, people have to do other things to survive. So what we're witnessing is the death of the music industry in real time. As more and more money leaves the industry and goes into the pockets of these (crooks) individuals, more and more artists are forced to give up, equipment companies closing, stores closing etc. so on and so forth. It affects us all, including the consumer.

The only way to change this is to fight back and don't support the thieves!! Don't click, visit, use, buy from, watch, subscribe to, stream, download etc. Don't support the companies that are advertising on these sites - do support the artists, equipment companies etc. you like by buying the music and-or products directly from their websites!! This is our only hope for a bright future and a sustainable thriving industry now and for future generations.

2013-08-26 08:00


johnholmesgotsumptin4yerarseyadu says:

"iTunes = 1/2 price of normal = 1/2 money to artists (means like .10 cents!! too fucking cheap! Only the store and the label make money)

"TRAXSOURCE.BEATPORT ALL OF THEM...ONE THING IN COMMON POOR MUSIC...FACT.EDM IS EVEN WORSE.... FACT"

The reason the music is getting worse every year is that the good lifelong career creative producers cant afford to make music anymore!! Only part time hobbyists wannabe DJ producers that work at KFC can make music on the weekends using shitty loops and presets.. no money = shit music!!! Get it?


"1000s of button pressers....no musicians" - the answer is above........



"Musicians shouldn't be asking for money for their tracks. Period.
Musicians make their money off of gigging.
Songs are like advertising.
You don't charge people for your marketing.
You pay for it.

Musicians pay in time.
If you're marketing, or music is good. People will pay for your product. Your appearance and performance."

Wrong. The person who creates the song OWNS it and by law gets paid for it (or should). Period. Is it free to make music? NO. Every song costs time and money to make. Do you get paid for mopping the toilet at KFC? Yes. So Us true artists also deserve to be paid for our work.

Advertising...white niggler please. All of the money IS going to advertising you idiot - advertising by companies owned by NON-musicians!!! Therefor the money is leaving the music industry = less money for everyone to create music, create new gear etc.... if you want my music free, then I want your girlfriend, mom and a burger with fries and nachos on the side for free. Also, give me your car and house while you're at it, since everything is free. Dumb ass.

And you have no clue about performance fees (obviously). The market is over saturated with wannabe DJ/performers who know shit about music in the first place. And they're "performing" for cheap or free.. just so they can look "cool". So stupid. Only 1% of people in the industry are making enough money from selling music AND performing to survive. Also, performing is NOT free... everyone has expenses and once factored into the equation, again, nobody but that 1% is making any money.

2013-08-25 23:37


Anonymous says:

"Musicians shouldn't be asking for money for their tracks. Period.
Musicians make their money off of gigging.
Songs are like advertising.
You don't charge people for your marketing.
You pay for it.

Musicians pay in time.
If you're marketing, or music is good. People will pay for your product. Your appearance and performance.

2013-08-25 13:07


Anonymous says:

"1000s of button pressers....no musicians

2013-08-25 12:57


Anonymous says:

""stop using these cheap ass streaming sites (they pay almost nothing to content creators) and buy songs/albums directly from the artists so they can eat, pay bills and continue to make music! it is the only way music will survive this mess of an industry!!!!thumbs up

2013-08-25 12:45


Anonymous says:

"MUSIC WAS DAMAGED WHEN THE INTERNET OPENED THE DOORS.CLOSE THE INTERNET AND GET BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS

2013-08-25 12:36


Anonymous says:

"TRAXSOURCE.BEATPORT ALL OF THEM...ONE THING IN COMMON POOR MUSIC...FACT.EDM IS EVEN WORSE.... FACT

2013-08-25 12:30


Anonymous says:

"I am shocked by the poor use of grammar and language. Your mother would be ashamed.

2013-08-21 03:54


Anonymous says:

"What The Shit Are You Saying AssHoles!!!!!
Fuck You the creator of this site .... shiter ...
If i grow up i will use my knowledge to FUCK Through your FUCKING WEBSITE and HACK IT AND FUCK IT SUCKER ....
SEX With your mom shit man.

2013-08-16 10:23


Anonymous says:

"Also, at least when you buy from junodownload, be careful what you do with those files afterwards, cause I've heard they store your order id number in the files. Not sure what mine is so can't check now.
Also started buying music from itunes. The bad thing with itunes is that they store your full name and e-mail in the files, I always get rid of that, cause I don't want everyone else accedentaly seeing that. The e-mail is saved in an extended tag along with the purchase date, your full name is saved in the binary data of the file. I don't like the fact that they do this, it's like if I were to buy the cd and on the cd itself is written my full name and adress.

2013-08-14 06:46


charlie manson says:

"stop using these cheap ass streaming sites (they pay almost nothing to content creators) and buy songs/albums directly from the artists so they can eat, pay bills and continue to make music! it is the only way music will survive this mess of an industry!!!!

2013-08-09 19:59


Anonymous says:

"https://soundcloud.com/kingkoopa-2

2013-08-04 05:30


Anonymous says:

"its annoying you cant price your own tracks aswell
i recently joined and they priced a single track at £5.99? you can get an album for that!!!!!!
no one will buy my music how am i supposed to sell a unit if the price isnt even fair to the customer!!!!

2013-08-04 05:27


Anonymous says:

"I've recently started byeing music both on juno download and on beatport. Beatport are more expensive, but they usually get the tracks first. However one really anoying thing. On juno download I can download everything as a zip file. On beatport I have to sit and download every track manually, even though I've bought a release with so many tracks in, A very tedius process. I'm sure many people have complained about this by now so don't understand why beatport simply don't offer the option to download everything as one zip file with all the releases as seperat folders, would make things so much easier.

2013-07-29 14:10


Murali says:

"I am a dj and I only use pirated software follow me here facebook.com/mkdj77

2013-07-23 13:47


Anonymous says:

"I have been running a label for about 8 years now and can say the industry is suffering now not only from music piracy, but lack of communication, good attitude and honesty from some online stores. I have just sent a complaint to my distributor regarding one particular site, now owing my label and many others sales statements and money for the past year! Seeing that a few releases did well (or so it looks in the charts) on this site, I'm pretty sure they're holding onto a fair whack of royalties. COUGH UP! It's a sad state of affairs.

I agree with one of the comments below - sack off the middle men and sell alone, online. Hard work, but worth the effort!

2013-07-19 03:45


Anonymous says:

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2013-07-14 14:25


Anonymous says:

"i am in this new distribuition site called feirl they are continiusly stiling my sales first they show a balance then this disappear how can i get some help they also neglect it all the time is so annoying also i cant cancelll the relise becouse to do so they charge me so much money

2013-07-10 23:54


Anonymous says:

"I'm new to this business and I put vocals online so I get these guys contacting me and give me the poor sob story and I've stupidly let them use my vocals and they are on beatport for downloads and on other albums too and they've never offered me a thing...I've learnt quickly they are a bunch of users

2013-07-07 20:50


big wally says:

"buy directly from the artists! only way for them to keep making music is to have money to live. the more money taken from producers, the more that must quit and the more great producers that quit because they cant live, the worse the music will keep on getting. buy directly from the artists!!!!!!!!!

2013-07-05 22:45


Tigerlift says:

"Hello guys! I am absolutely agree with you about beatport and this business model of this market, I am music producer and always was surprised why so there was a market?? I don't like it. I consider that the artist selling the tracks first of all has to earn. I decided to create such Internet resource. The business model a similar with bandcamp.com but it's only for electronic music. I would like to show you this website, to don't make a spam I can send you a link by email.

2013-07-04 04:21


Anonymous says:

"BEATPORT..TRAXSOURCE ALL OF THEM...ONE THING IN COMMON...VERY POOR MUSIC

2013-06-24 05:34


Anonymous says:

"I fucking hate beatport all artist just wanna upload here its craziness 2.50 for each fucking song at this point itunes its better if you really want support then i suggest to start uploading everywhere not only on stupid bitchport.

2013-06-22 08:27


Anonymous says:

"hi guys, I want start a record company and sign new dj's who only use pirate software and cheap PC's. you give me your song and I make money in the ghetto. he he he but you can tell all of your friends that your song is on a record company, so thats good! and after 2 minutes when your local street fame is gone, you can go back to mommy and daddy and get more money to give to me. goodbye.

2013-06-07 12:11


Anonymous says:

"wrong, wrong, wrong. all you guys talking money from these bullshit stores, streamers, cdbastard, ibafoons etc............... the people who make the music are getting next to nothing. here today and most definitely will be gone tomorrow. buy from the artist you love if you want that artist to continue making music. shows dont pay artists - artists pay to play shows. get it right.

2013-06-07 12:05


Tears of Technology says:

"This page is filled with things that are true and not true. Not all retailers screw artists. Also sometimes, it is not the retailer but the distributor who is raping the artist. Beatport is garbage, but I use CD Baby for iTunes and other retailers and keep 100% of all digital sales through those major retailers. So your claims are off some bit.

My advice is for artists to distribute themselves using a fair distributor like CD baby. If a company wants money every year plus their cut, you are being raped.

2013-06-07 05:13


Anonymous says:

"To avoid paying $1.50-2.00 per song at BP, I get them for $.09 at justmusicstore.com or I pretend to buy at mp3juices.com Refuse to take part in BP's fairy tale any longer.

2013-05-28 20:31


Anonymous says:

"And oh, and it's probably partly Beatport responsible for the music that gets onto the tops chart, but if it's by sales number, as I've always assumed, then the f'tards are the people shopping there. My EDM itch has many times not been scratched @ Beatport where there is a lot of shit to shift through to find something worthwhile, and oftentimes the track you are searching for isn't even there! COMMERCIAL Dance Music retailer.

2013-05-28 20:08


Anonymous says:

"The system is obviously flawed for not awarding the artists fairly for the work they do. Although, if their track sells then they make plenty of money for their time. So who's to blame? Beatport provides a huge catalog, large enough to pander to most people's needs, but it also means that shoppers fly thru previews of tracks like nothing, and soon zombie mode kicks in and we all buy dubstep? AmIright? No, but we do start buying only the "gems" and the fluff gets the boot.

2013-05-28 20:01


Anonymous says:

"The production work on most modern stuff is dreadful totally static drum tracks for starters and very badly mastered. Armada is about the worst for being badly mastered as a label its usually screechy on a decent system but not quite as bad as the owner is at fumbling about being a DJ that is another miming numpty.Its very different paying £5 - £10 for a 12" to 79p for a download. I got fed up with making music after getting badly ripped off in the 90's . No hopers like Tiesto and the like really helped to kill the whole dance scene dead as it is now.

2013-05-27 14:12


Anonymous says:

"Man... I produce for like 15 years now and top 10 an top 100 charts on beatport are always SHIT which is produced by fucking newbies..

I dont understand but im sure the staff is bribed a lot..
fuck ''top'' shit en fuck the expansive beatport too

2013-05-27 02:50


Anonymous says:

"yes, beatport sucks. i found same releases (priced 6usd on beatport) on boomkat for example are at least double the price! i dont even want to speak from an upcoming producer perspective, i never saw a cent from beatport! now i adopted pay what you want system on bandcamp and already earned more. dont buy from beatport, lets stop that corporate life stealing beast!

2013-05-22 00:50


Anonymous says:

"Re Bedroom Producer .I also am a bedroom and Beat port is corrupt .Ive had my tracks removed from the also bought section.When they think its competing with their top artist.When it was on the section and then it gets taken down when saw it the day before on the list.Every other track that they support remains .Also once in the also bought listed below when your track does well this happens they outright change it when it competes with certain artist !!So unfair and Corrupt!!!

2013-05-14 23:25


a former dance producer says:

"Wow ! things have really changed in the dance industry.

I've been a dance producer for a few years until 1995 and i gave up music in 1999 to become a corporate drone.
At the time i was under contract with a medium sized label and i could almost make a living producing one song per song, they even game me some money in advance, merchandising, and it was a lot of fun while it lasted.

Fast forward to 2013 and it looks like you're going to make more money cleaning toilets at Mcdonalds than producing dance music and while at the time i could get away with my Atari with Cubase 2.0 + one Akai sampler + a Juno 106 and mastering the track in the label's studio now artists are supposed to produce the whole final product using expensive 24 bit sounds and plugins and FXs.

How can they justify the actual situation ? Digital and the internet have definitely killed the whole industry and also opened the doors to fools who are happy to play and to record for free, it looks as bad as in the book/ebook industry where only the top 0.5% authors have a chance to make a living off writing and publishing.

I would not be surprised if people selling loops and samples in one of the many "stock agencies" are having it better than dance producers nowadays, the shelf life of a dance track is really short now and there are thousands of new tracks published each DAY !

At the same time the top DJs are the new rockstars, they're filling up whole stadiums and earning as much as 20 million dollars per year with live gigs, i mean pressing play on Ableton with pre-made tracks, it's not even DJing but maybe i'm too old for that.

Thanks god i left this crazy industry.
Companies like Beatport are the kiss of death for music.

2013-04-22 04:04


Anonymous says:

"Everyone is entitled to an opinion, right? Well, here is mine.

Something smelled fishy with the way BeatPort does business. I couldn't quite put my finger on it, but it was always there in some fashion, in the periphery rearing its ugly head.

BeatPort is JEW-owned. Why does this matter, you might ask?

Look at all these comments on how BeatPort rips off the artists. How fitting for it to be owned by a JEW! It's so fitting! They rip off other people to gain in their lives.

BeatPort was purchased by Robert FX Sillerman. Notice the MAN at the end of the name? Those three letters speak VOLUMES upon VOLUMES.

If you think BeatPort is shrewd, you are absolutely correct. Is it rude to stereotype? Yes, but I'm willing to make an exception, and BeatPort TOTALLY fits into this.

2013-04-19 15:26


Anonymous says:

"BeatPort does indeed suck. Their payment system keeps rejecting and they have to manually make an entry in their systems for it to go through. I have to email them for support every time I want to make a purchase.

BeatPort SUCKS!!!!!!!

2013-04-19 14:28


Anonymous says:

"Not hating on BP pricing, it's just that Stompy and Traxsource have real house music, not electro mainstream horriballz garbage.

2013-04-19 12:58


Anonymous says:

"selling already mixed unmixable tracks

2013-04-13 15:58


Carter says:

"If you don't mind paying twice (or more) to re-download tracks you already purchased, then Beatport is the place for you!

Nah, fuck that shit.

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2013-04-08 01:28


Anonymous says:

"Your guys are fucking retards, just pay the price jews

2013-04-05 10:45


Anonymous says:

"Beatport Download prices went down .25 cents. I must say that beatport doesn't suck any more than Juno or DJdownload or any of the other digital music stores. To say that something 'sucks' doesn't really hold much water. The music business has changed. That doesn't mean that artists can't make any money. Once their track gets on the Internet (and that is unavoidable). People will take it, sell it and use it and distribute it and there is nothing anyone can do to stop them. Yet artists continue to make tracks despite this because most of them love what they do and they know it. And -- they want to share their creativity with others. So if you look at from this perspective - artists in many cases are lucky to have any royalty at all. I have my own gripes about everything including Beatport but they are one of the biggest digital stores online but it NOT the only one either.

2013-04-03 08:02


Anonymous says:

"beatport can kiss my grits. I buy my tracks from the artist. now fuck off.

2013-04-02 09:17


Jason says:

"upon reading further in the comments. How nice that ANOTHER forbes 400 jew, has taken over the site now? Great. Ill be going back to Juno fucking sellouts. guys looks like masonic scum beatport has jumped the shark!

2013-04-02 06:49


jason says:

"I just cant stand people posting the same multiple tracks over and over. I should be able to choose to listen to it twice, instead of being tricked into it there really wasting my time with multiple tracks. No wonder my fingers burn. Make a good track and you wont have to post it sooo many times to try and advertise it!

2013-04-02 06:38


tebogo says:

"how much does it cost to buy music online,in sounth african currency?

2013-03-26 09:25


ping dot wong says:

"BP exclusive release are for a short period of time (few weeks) after the release will be available on all stores.

anyone using google play?

2013-03-23 00:50


Anonymous says:

"To put it as simply and accurately as possible, they're nothing but bridge-and-tunnel acting like they are the dance club industry. You know, the people with the bottle service, who don't dance, or the yuppies in their condos complaining about the noise from the nearby club that's been there for decades. The cocaine cowboys, from the Mid-West with their corn-feed tastes and likes; in other words, typical fly-over mentality attempting to dictate to the rest.

2013-03-21 20:42


Anonymous says:

"I've just discover that bp have some fake excluisve tracks & eps. They say exclu, but u cant find it on another site, and for the same price u have it wav & not 320...

2013-03-21 02:56


Anonymous says:

"If you are talking about the old CD distribution model... Typical averages were around 1.25 per album sold (around $15). That would be $0.125 per track on a ten song CD or 0.83% per track (yes less than 1% per track). The digital model is way more profitable compared to CD to the average artist.

Another thing the costs of running a site like Beatport is insane. From my IT background you're looking at server farms at 2+ data centers, hundreds of servers, switches, routers, firewalls, Network connections (yes they have to pay to an ISP too), people to maintain, support, configure... Just as a guess, if they sold the company for 50 million it is probably costing somewhere in the neighborhood of 40-45 million a year just to operate.

I am not saying the amount made by artists is not a concern, but arguing only one side over and over doesn't really do much except for sounding like whining.

It would be interesting to know how much of the digital store cut is profit and how much is just covering costs.

2013-03-20 15:38


DJAnonymous says:

"I heard they are removing a ton of labels in the coming months ... as a DJ that means having to open more accounts in other stores to dig for the good/non-EDLame stuff.

How come Apple run iTunes and distribute pretty much any artist while Beatport can't? Is the Terabyte more expensive in Colorado?

It's the site that is broken, not that little guys in the new economy: search, new releases, charts, recommendations... thats 90's stuff!

Haven't they heard of the long tail ;) ???

2013-03-19 00:48


PREZ says:

"Music has never sold for "much".. but that doesn't mean you can't make a business from just the sales alone. You just have to learn how to properly engage your audience to get them to do what you want. Get out there and build up a legion of fans who can become your "brand ambassadors". The sales will follow and become exponential in return. Build a team of people or artists.. You'll be able to accomplish way more as a team.

That said, if the shops like Beatport would just adopt a business model that gives more back to the artists and labels (independents), it would make it much easier for the independents to achieve sustainable cash-flow.

Beatport has made lots of changes and additions lately but I think they only focus on what will help themselves, because if you look at what they've been putting their IT/development money into it looks like they only care about projects that will help them further corner the market.

They really should consider spending their research and development money towards something that will build a better relationship with the independent artists and labels; because, after all, the independents are the lifeblood of Beatport -- the reason they became successful in the first place; and remain successful today.

2013-03-03 16:59


Ikon says:

"2$ for a song.. incredible!

2013-03-02 09:31


Anonymous says:

"It looks like music doesn't sell for much. Back then, you could actually see the CDs you were buying, giving you more satisfaction, which is more than what you can get from clicking "buy" on an online site. At least buying music is better than having it downloaded illegally. Still, sometimes tracks are given, by the artists themselves, for free. It is a kind of marketing.I heard Tiesto say that he doesn't prefer that people download his music illegally, because at least they like his music, and he gets most of his money from gigs anyways.

2013-02-28 07:41


Bite the curb says:

"Beatport are just about the biggest crooks in the business.

They have done nothing but dictate to all the artists and labels (except their favorite batty boys), forcing them to promote the site with nothing, but the threat of being cut from the site offered in return.

No tiered royalties or incentives for selling more and promoting more tracks, quarterly payments ruining labels cash flow, slamming VAT on the end of the consumers costs after spending hours sifting through the shit to find a few decent tracks. The list goes on.........

Now they are cashing in big time and making a run for the door before it all turns to doggy doo on your shoe.

Considering the founders got a $1M grant from the Dallas chamber of commerce to start the company in the first place, they have done incredibly well to strip the guts out of an industry so quickly.

I can hear their foot steps running all the way to the bank - ca ching!!

2013-02-27 12:15


Anonymous says:

"Yeah Beatport in a matter of just a few short years has successfully put the industry at an all time low and now cashed in on it. And it is only going to get worse for artists.

2013-02-27 01:17


PREZ says:

"Many months ago, someone predicted that Beatport was going to be bought out by some company -- guess what?

Google: "SFX Buys Beatport"

2013-02-27 00:42


PREZ says:

"@Anonymous
"stop feeding the entertainers of the world and there will no longer be entertainment."

Brilliant!

2013-02-27 00:34


PREZ says:

"@IDthePoet I agree with a lot of what you said in your post, except I don't agree with what you say about piracy affecting independent artists. It could be true, but you need to provide numbers to back that up.

In my opinoin, I just really can't imagine that many people looking to illegally download music by unknown artists..

I think, for major labels and high profile top 40's artists piracy should be something to try and control...but an independent artist or label is usually at a stage where they need as much exposure as possible...

Some of us would be more than happy if our song accidentally landed in someone's torrent inbox while they were searching for a skrillex tune.

On top of that, imagine how many artists are out there on soundcloud -- right at this very moment, spamming everyone in sight with free downloadable tracks.. free skrillex remixes.. free guetta remixes..etc.. This is actually how some of them get popular themselves..

So.. the point is, 1000's of people are already giving away their crap music in order to get someone to listen to it.. Maybe THAT's what's diminishing music value; because to be honest.. some of the music from the amateurs sounds about on par with what's consistently making it into the itunes and beatport charts (lol).

So, back to my point.. music piracy is probably not affecting the small guy very much at all.. and that said, I think a lot of independents are being forced to get out there and become marketing experts on their own (and they should). And not stop there.. they need to get out of the studio and into their local scene.. Make moves locally in whatever way you can.. That will be more effective than any online promotion campaign.

And.. if any independents are reading this and want an edge online.. Go read up on how SEO works and how to make a successful blog. Learn about how trickle-email-campaigns work.. You don't have to go build a website or create a blog -- but the knowledge you will gain from doing this research will give you lots of tips on how to run your business.

2013-02-27 00:32


Anonymous says:

"i see anynomous likes to post a bunch of bullshit in my name. you dont make music (referring to the incredibly stupid anonymous). it takes a lifetime of effort to make good music and you think it should be free for the world because you never put anything into it. Typical first world problems child.

2013-02-26 20:46


superpok says:

"what about google play, they sell 320kbps, not bad the price, isn't it? VAT included, any experience?

https://play.google.com

2013-02-24 00:35


Anonymous says:

"@iD the Poet-

contrary to your statements/beliefs the world does not revolve around american 1950's social ideologies applied to 2013 Google/Facebook controlled companies (thank god). in fact the majority of people in this world cannot (have never been able to) even view one of their or others websites. in american society, majority rules, right? well, the bottom line IS - more people live outside of the states than in and people who create (anywhere on the planet) DESERVE (and rightfully so) to be paid for what is then used by others, even just for listening purposes.

stop feeding the entertainers of the world and there will no longer be entertainment.

2013-02-21 09:16


iD the Poet says:

"Music should be available to stream for free to the listener; following the age-old radio model. Radio is funded primarily by advertisements and listener contributions in the case of non-profit stations. Youtube, Pandora, and other major online radio sources are already following this model. Although this payment system provides only miniscule returns to the artist, such is the nature of the niche demographics of online stations. The distribution, in my opinion, should always be greater for the artist than the content distributor. This is pretty much the case presently. For most online listening resources royalties account for roughly 50% of their income.

To obtain a digital copy, the equation is different. It is usually, as stated in this page's main article, 60/40, w/ 40% going to the artist. With record labels shrinking and playing less of a part in the process of record production, this portion of income should go to the artist for the added resources they have to contribute to create the product. Time is included as a resource. There are copyright laws to protect computer programs and music samples from falling victim to pirates. They aren't very effective on a small scale, but major labels and software companies rely on them to protect their revenue. So the onus should not fall on the musician based on how much money they spend on their production tools. On the contrary, the musician should be compensated for the time and talent they used to create a product as people consume it. The distributor should get less than they presently get. A physical record shop has a right to a 40% cut given the overhead costs for a retail space. The digital record shop, I believe, should be entitled to no more than 20%. This, combined w/ a more artist-favored percentage from the label, would be a fair overall distribution giving roughly 60% to the artist w/ the remaining 40% to be divided amongst the label and distributor. Cloud service makes the cost of a digital product even more controversial given the file no longer lies in the possession of the "owner", while ALSO charging that person for the cloud service.

And regarding DAWs and other digital production tools- what artist can afford the 2 or 3 programs + sample packs, VSTs, etc. that cost on average of $400 each?! Tax write-offs help quite a bit, but these companies need to lower the cost especially given the multitude of versions they pump out driving compatibility down and eventually support obsolete. Jazz & Hip Hop music are great examples of how artists will always find the means to express themselves. If they could patent snare drums to be exclusively used to marching into war, they probably would have- they're patenting DNA sequences these days. Research, development, and marketing aren't cheap for the software companies, but the low payout for artist royalties coupled with the high cost of production equipment is hard to deal with for any artist. It takes a lot of resources to create quality original music regardless of where the tools came from.

The real factor here is digital products: they are easily replicated and easily distributed. This creates a sense of low value, which speaks to the disposable nature of music these days. Overall, music is cheaper to produce now than it has ever been, easier to copy and distribute more than ever, and therefore the payout for a copy of a song is at a record low. All the people complaining about the royalties should look to their own music collections for insight on one of the main reasons artists aren't getting paid. With every pirated copy of an album and every mp3 from a torrent, the artists' royalty diminishes. Not just for the artist being ripped off, but for the overall artist community- especially independent artists- by means of diminishing the perceived value of the digital product and allowing these distributors and labels to charge a higher percentage for their service...which in part is a secure storage and delivery system that preserves the value of the digital copy by keeping it secure. The exposure offered by online music retailers is an advantage, but not significant enough to warrant a higher cut. You pay an upfront fee for most online retailers on top of the royalties. At the end of the day it's up to the artist to choose the best avenue of distribution. It's getting easier to make your own website and online store, track streams and downloads and skirt the services that charge these fees. If your fans really want your music they will find it. If you need exposure via large digital distribution outlets than you have to pay the price. Until the value of digital music gets re-calibrated, I suggest you opt out of anything charging more than 40%, and really question the benefits of a label if they are indeed taking 50%.

2013-02-20 13:46


Anonymous says:

"Avicii uses a cracked version of sylenth in ONE video and now all of a sudden everything is stolen/free.

Go request Levels/Clarity some more

2013-02-19 11:05


Anonymous says:

"and what are the costs in administering health care and medicine?

THE TIME YOU SPEND ADMINISTERING HEALTH CARE AND MEDICINE

enough?

-- no actually, it isnt enough you idiot. doctors, lawyers, judges, presidents etc. society says, spend a minimum of 8 years to get a degree, licensed and employed. do you pay those people? yeah, you dont have a choice do you.

on the other hand musicians spend a lifetime learning, practicing and working to hopefully get acknowledged for something, anything, one song or maybe just to fucking eat and have a life. they offer something up and do you pay? do THEY get paid? no. because of people like you who think music is a free convenience. THIS IS THE POINT AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

2013-02-17 06:41


Anonymous says:

"quote: "And what are the over head costs in producing a music track and selling it ??"

THE TIME YOU SPEND MAKING A TRACK

enough?

2013-02-07 02:07


Anonymous says:

""And what are the over head costs in producing a music track and selling it ??...well there are none !!

Most producers have a torrented copy of their DAW of choice, most producers ripp samples , either legally or illegally, in fact with the majority of smaller producers the only up front cost or overhead cost is their internet connection.

So to get 0.89 $ per track is actually a bloody good deal if you ask me !"

--are you serious? obviously not. the costs involved with producing a song/release can be in the thousands of dollars (if not tens of thousands). initially a producer needs a computer, interface, monitors, hardware synths, mics, plugins, daw ("Most producers have a torrented copy of their DAW" --speak for yourself cause this statement is complete bullshit!), room treatment etc. - all cost a lot of money (unless you are an idiot and buy complete junk, in which case give up cause you'll never make quality music). so now that you have spent a small fortune on your studio (mine cost me around $20,000!), you need to invest the time and effort involved with writing the music. it takes at least a few full days if not a week or two of work to produce a good quality song. so who the hell works this many hours for free in the world? please tell me so I can hire them! lol... so now your songs music is finished but needs vocals? chaaaching. a remix? chaaching. mastering? chaaachin. cover artwork and logo? chaaaaaching. website design? chaaaching. endless hours of networking/promoting? chaaaching. a video for your song? chaaaching. and so on and so forth. your post is just full of nonsense and you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. good luck with your theories and pirate softies pal! we will see just how far you go in your career hahahaaaha

"0.89 $" --of 2.49 $ sale-- is a "bloody good deal!"... what planet are you on man!!!! wake up

2013-02-06 19:01


Tom says:

""bedroom producer says:

Have to say as a bedroom producer who is able to put music together through ableton and have it show up on beatport two weeks later..."

I stopped reading right there because this is an impossible scenario. unless you have a direct deal with beatport (and even still) it takes 4-6 weeks for a release to go on sale AND beatport more times than not will get the release date and genre wrong!!

2013-02-06 18:34


Tom says:

""Why? Having spoken with artists who give music away and heard interviews with massive artists. They don't give a fuck about these royalties. They want people to pack their shows. They want people to pay $70,80,90 a head to pack a pier or a club. That's where they make their money."

-- this is just plain ignorant. so you make a song and then everyone else makes money from sales and you dont, you are ok with this? do you really believe that a artist will get that $70,80,90 a head from a show? not a chance. you have been brainwashed to believe these things so that places like beatport can keep on stealing from the artist

2013-02-06 18:28


REALIST says:

"@Anonymous -- Your example is not a good one. BEANS are a TANGIBLE PRODUCT. Music is not a tangible product. This is a big difference. They are selling a copy of a copy.. In this case.. the percentage take should be higher on the artist side.

2013-01-29 03:32


Anonymous says:

"i meant 0.41c

2013-01-28 10:47


Anonymous says:

"0.31c out of a $1.65 sale seems like a fair return to me. If the sites didnt exist, the artist wouldn't get anything from that particular income stream.

2013-01-28 10:47


Jason (EML) says:

"As owner of 3 net labels, I rely heavily on Beatport for sales revenue, in fact 40% of our sales come from Beatport.

I think a lot of artists and labels are really not living in the real world, imagine if you will...for a moment, that you are the owner of Heinz (the company who make Baked Beans).

Let's just say for arguments sake that you sell your tin of beans for $1 USD

How much do you think Heinz will see of that $1 ?

Not very much, is the answer.

Of course they make millions of cans of beans, but the principle remains the same, in any business where you are selling 'products' , you need to be selling in vast quantity's in order to get a decent revenue back in return.

And what are the over head costs in producing a music track and selling it ??...well there are none !!

Most producers have a torrented copy of their DAW of choice, most producers ripp samples , either legally or illegally, in fact with the majority of smaller producers the only up front cost or overhead cost is their internet connection.

So to get 0.89 $ per track is actually a bloody good deal if you ask me !

The only thing that does annoy me is that the site tends to feature releases by the big labels only, and the smaller labels struggle to get a look in, but from experience I know that you just got to keep believing, keep putting out releases, and maybe spend some time and money on good mastering and promotion.

Overall Beatport is head and shoulders above all the other download stores and I for one hope they continue to dominate the download scene (along with Juno) for many years to come.

If you want to know what the worst download store is, then I suggest you try Track It Down...they are rude, when we were selling on the store, they put releases into the wrong genres, and were sending our royalties to the wrong distributors !

2013-01-25 02:50


bedroom producer says:

"Have to say as a bedroom producer who is able to put music together through ableton and have it show up on beatport two weeks later, all from the comfort of my living room, it's not that bad. Not just beatport but this whole digital music movement has enabled not only the little guy to put his music out, but for the little listener to stumble upon the little guy. Everybody is bitching that beatport takes to much money blah blah blah, but like others have said before me, if you really have a problem with it, find another site to host your tracks on, chuck a few links on facebook and see how many bandcamp sales you walk out with, i'll tell you it will be fuck all. You pay to be on the big sites, with the big names and potentially with big sales. My first EP was noticed by some beatport guys, made it into some staff picks section and eventually hit the deep house charts at 54 or so. That's not to say i made lots of money but again, i couldn't give care about the money. It was such a bonus to see something i made purely for myself splattered around on the internet and because of the platform it was released on, I had my name (a self proclaimed bedroom producer) up there with some really big guys.

How many people do you think they can advertise on their front page, they release literally thousands of ep's every week and unless you want a constant matrix style stream of floating pictures and advertisments you are going to have to put in the hard yards and do some crate digging just like we used to in the old days. Because that's really the only thing that has changed, music is sold, commercial driven enterprises rise to the top and push their sound of the moment in your face, even when cd's where how you got the bulk of your tunes, you still had to wade through a musical shit storm to find that gem in that dusty corner of the store AND If i remember correctly this is something that people liked, this is why you went to see dj's because you know they have spent the hours and put in the hard yards searching for the 'right' music. The only difference now is that we are to lazy to go digging........

2013-01-20 20:03


bedroom producer says:

"Have to say as a bedroom producer who is able to put music together through ableton and have it show up on beatport two weeks later, all from the comfort of my living room, it's not that bad. Not just beatport but this whole digital music movement has enabled not only the little guy to put his music out, but for the little listener to stumble upon the little guy. Everybody is bitching that beatport takes to much money blah blah blah, but like others have said before me, if you really have a problem with it, find another site to host your tracks on, chuck a few links on facebook and see how many bandcamp sales you walk out with, i'll tell you it will be fuck all. You pay to be on the big sites, with the big names and potentially with big sales. My first EP was noticed by some beatport guys, made it into some staff picks section and eventually hit the deep house charts at 54 or so. That's not to say i made lots of money but again, i couldn't give care about the money. It was such a bonus to see something i made purely for myself splattered around on the internet and because of the platform it was released on, I had my name (a self proclaimed bedroom producer) up there with some really big guys.

How many people do you think they can advertise on their front page, they release literally thousands of ep's every week and unless you want a constant matrix style stream of floating pictures and advertisments you are going to have to put in the hard yards and do some crate digging just like we used to in the old days. Because that's really the only thing that has changed, music is sold, commercial driven enterprises rise to the top and push their sound of the moment in your face, even when cd's where how you got the bulk of your tunes, you still had to wade through a musical shit storm to find that gem in that dusty corner of the store AND If i remember correctly this is something that people liked, this is why you went to see dj's because you know they have spent the hours and put in the hard yards searching for the 'right' music. The only difference now is that we are to lazy to go digging........

2013-01-20 17:07


Anonymous says:

"this is not a problem specifically to beatport, but to how the music industry works in general.

one aspect are contracts negotiated between labels and artists. there are aggregators that will put your music on beatport and give you a much larger chunk of what beatport pays to the labels, e.g. 90% or even 100%. this way, you can cut out a "middleman". if you choose to go with a label, then you get certain services like promotion, artwort and such. there have always been labels offering bad deals to (prospective) artists, but there is no obligation for an artist to sign a bad contract :)

also, some labels that don't do a lot of promotion will only take 10-20%. on the other hand, there are also download stores that pay out more of their income to the labels. if you choose to go with beatport because they offer good exposure, you got to pay the premium.

if you think that you can handle everything by yourself, promotion, mastering, distribution, ... then feel free to self-release your music and you'll get a much bigger cut.

2013-01-12 09:02


Anonymous says:

"(Yander Delgado) and yet another misinformed idiot chimes in. gawd... are there really this many people in the world who have absolutely no clue how the digital music retail world works, especially who is getting paid and who is not?

when there was only vinyl, then tapes, even when cd's came out, music had value and lasted. now in a digital world, music has little to no value and no life beyond a few weeks. it really is pathetic. unfortunately with the internet p2p cloud streaming crap generation now is digging the grave, aside from hobbyist soon only the major label fabricated artist will be able to create music and actually be able to live from the money they make. why dont you people understand this and do something about it? support indie artists and buy directly from them. otherwise truly creative artists and their music will be lost forever.

2013-01-10 18:24


Yander Delgado says:

"@TapeMasterMatt

You should start keeping up with Technology. Underground music is underground for a reason. It's great music. It's always been how it is now. We just have more technology. I love hearing old snobs like you complain about equipment and how tapes and vinyl "back in the day" were better. I honestly don't believe that would effect the "death of music". I've heard some complete SHIT tracks on vinyl too. Nobody buys tapes, nobody ever did. Seriously. If you want to support the artist, hear their music, and buy it whether it's online or physical. Doesn't really matter, you're still giving money to support the artist. And record labels ALWAYS been how they are now as well, same for distributors. Just on a different platform. Get with the program snobs!

2013-01-09 21:40


Anonymous says:

"OK, I have been running a label for about 6 mths now, I have been fortunate to get feature after feature on Beatport for my artists and here is how, get the tracks professionally mastered, MAKE SURE it is a good track, do it for the love, do not do it to make money, make sure you have decent cover work and that it will catch the eye bearing in mind its a small box, learn from your mistakes, never give up.....face it, if your not getting the tracks mastered, crap cover work and its not a good song why would anyone want to feature it or buy it so be honest with yourself, the other thing, torrenters, since the label has got better known as soon as a release is out now gauranteed you will find it on a site waiting to be downloaded for free, this is whats killing the industry, the more successful the label gets the less its making from online sales......also, get a good distributor, first and foremost, good luck, you will never be rich and dont do it just to own a label, do it because you enjoy and maybe one day it will make you a living and trust me there are worst retailers than beatport

2013-01-09 10:06


TapeMasterMatt says:

"All you digital fools should turn off your computers and buy some tapes. I love me a good sit down and listen, I still have all my tapes from the good old days. I remember first when CD-rom digital devices came out and music died. Now Napster, Junoid and Batport.. I never heard of such trash in my life. Buy tapes and support the artists!!!

2013-01-07 20:39


Anonymous says:

"Why? Having spoken with artists who give music away and heard interviews with massive artists. They don't give a fuck about these royalties. They want people to pack their shows. They want people to pay $70,80,90 a head to pack a pier or a club. That's where they make their money.

2013-01-07 09:59


Anonymous says:

"Fact - Beatport employees catagoize every track released. This is why there is no progressive house in the progressive house genre. Because some teenager intern is deciding what tracks belong where. Beatport should have save manpower and left the genre discription to the labels. Thanks Beatport for killing progressive house.

2013-01-07 09:47


Anonymous says:

"holy crap those are good!

2013-01-06 16:17


Anonymous says:

"http://humansdance.com/products-page/sample-libraries/

2013-01-02 17:24


Anonymous says:

""Anonymous says:pulselocker is the same shit like spotify.
greedy bastards."

yes another site trying to make music worthless and take even more money away from artist and label.
------

"Anonymous says:if you want to "earn" something you have to promote yourself..Make an indie digital label, its very stupid to make it today..You just need a nice name and a logo..then search for some good digital-distributor on the web, pay it (usually few cents per release) and sell your music directly on Beatport and other sites..This way you got more chanche to see some $$$"

"good" digital distributor? hahaha very funny. if you want on beatport, sorry but it does not work that way.

2013-01-02 16:42


bt mastering says:

"www.bigtunemastering.com

2012-12-29 09:05


Anonymous says:

"if you want to "earn" something you have to promote yourself..Make an indie digital label, its very stupid to make it today..You just need a nice name and a logo..then search for some good digital-distributor on the web, pay it (usually few cents per release) and sell your music directly on Beatport and other sites..This way you got more chanche to see some $$$

2012-12-29 09:01


Anonymous says:

"pulselocker is the same shit like spotify.
greedy bastards.

2012-12-28 17:21


Anonymous says:

"FINALLY, an alternative to beatport has arrived:

go to http://pulselocker.com/?rid=363

(please don't change the link to get the right reference for free mp3 downloads).

They have over a million tracks, and their solution is really interesting. Click on my link to join us in beta, you get a free month of downloads and you get to see a beatport like website before the official launch in 2013.

This is no bullshit, that company is big and it seems like it's gonna compete with Beatport seriously.

2012-12-27 06:42


Anonymous says:

"Yeesh - "Artistes" *smh*

Stop complaining like a bunch of old women with wet panties! You have a choice in the matter- Don't like it, don't take it! Simples!

The cream will rise to the top.

2012-12-26 03:53


Ivan says:

"Beat port has alot of very lame mainstream music producers of which the music is sooo painful to listen to. Really alot of low skilled people. No wonder they don't get much paid, because they at least now HAVE a chance to show themselves, even if it's worthless. If you are a real talent, you would climb from Beatport to the top in no second. While you're trying make something of yourself, you just keep stick to it, getting a low share for trying to make something of your self. After all, this is an opportunity for you. Don't like it? Don't do it.

Anyway. Top 10 tracks in Beatport? Give it a break. I love electric music but this.... Really?

2012-12-22 08:18


Anonymous says:

"I think that was just a wind up but anyway. actually, if the music is only just decent, then the mentality is right. that "decent music" person will never make it "big" without alot of high profile friends pushing or spending alot of money hiring other people to make you a "star" through bullshit advertising. fact is most of the people you hear on the radio, see on videos and so on never wrote that song, they just got coached on how to sing it, what was sung got cut the fuck up into pieces, a producer and engineer actually made the song and a company invested big money in the advertising for them. THIS is how most stars are born. the artist will only get live fees and a backend % bonus. on the other hand, if you have real talent, then do everything yourself, call all of the shots and control your own destiny. with connections and money behind you, you have a good chance either way.

2012-12-18 02:16


DR Wang Dot NET says:

"I charge you a fee of 0% to tell you that with your mentality it is better for you to give up making music...seriously it is not for you...try a job at goldspam and phak

2012-12-14 13:42


Frank says:

"ha ha... this site is such a comical relief! but anyway, OK I'll take the bait...

Clearly you do not have that money, but for educational purposes seriously though, as a DJ manager and promoter I know firsthand that $100K can get the job done.

First of all, if you're music is just "decent", you need work harder to get better, as a poor unknown producer/DJ you're only hope is to make an amazing song and get it into the right peoples hands OR to fast-track your career hire a ghost writer to make a hit for you (its a tried and true method of becoming a star). MANY so called "stars" never write or record their own music.

Second, you hire a director and film company to make a video for you.

*** Once you have a hit song and a killer video to back it up you're half way there...

Third, you hire a PR firm to represent you (advertising -such as BEATPORT).

Fourth, you "pay to play", which is essentially paying for an opening DJ slot on a big name DJ tour (again, another tried and true method of becoming a star).

It takes connections in the industry, but money talks and once you start throwing it around people will listen... if you have $100K I could make all of this happen for you in a matter of a few weeks. Seriously. I have the connections and would charge you a fee of 10% (most will want 20%) just like any manager would.

If don't believe me, email me and I'll prove it to you.

mho.label@gmail.com

2012-12-14 06:37


cash.cow says:

"well, i have appr. 100000 dollars to spend.
can i become a real superstar with this?
who i have to pay? which company should be on my payroll?

i already make some (hopefully) decent music and i am already, well, a 'name' in this scene.
but i want to get bigger.
the recent 'big guys' sucks.

come on, i got some money!
kitty, kitty, kitty...

2012-12-10 14:35


Anonymous says:

"but i think beatport is dying at the moment.
the label-manager for europe, their best guy, just left...

ok, beatport earns a lot for sure, but maybe not enough anymore to cover the huge costs.
even very big labels end up selling 26 files sometimes.
and i mean some VERY big labels..

2012-12-10 14:18


jess says:

"no one is making any real money? wake up! the stores are! distribution companies are! labels are! clubs are! the artist is the only one getting the shaft. places like beatport count on the unknown little guy artist because its a regular stream of cash. think if you have 1000 new songs each week and each of those artist are promoting the release and getting fans, friends and family to buy the songs, even if only 10 or 20 each song add it up and you will see the store and everyone else are making a killing! and dont fool yourself, beatport is not just a store, they have their greedy fingers into all areas of the club business. distribution, dj software and hardware, events, promotions, video, radio merchandise and much more. talk about a monopoly. this is why the same labels, artists and companies get all of the advertising. face it they are running the club music industry. the only way to change this is to not play along and do things yourself. if your music is good and you promote it well you will get your own fans, promoters will contact you and you can control your own destiny.

all I can say is if you are new to putting out songs, be careful. even if your songs are popular many labels never pay the producer. usually they wont say anything until you ask. if you demand to see a sales sheet they send some bogus generic homemade document showing low sales even though the song has been listed in the top 100 sales charts on several stores. then they will say you didnt sell enough to warrant a royalty payment (usually anything under $50). also a scam with many labels is to "license" songs to other labels for compilations either trading or selling them making it even more difficult to track down sales and get paid anything. this way the labels (and everyone else in the money chain) keep making money without spending it! there is really no way to monitor and enforce royalty payments unless you have a management team and lawyer to chase them. unless you are famous the rights organizations are for the most part a complete waste of time. even then if the label is in a different country you are screwed because they know it could take years and the legal cost would be astronomical. not many people can afford to spend $10000 to try and get $100 in royalties for every song they release. these labels know and count on this. I think that even if you only sell 20 songs you should get paid for 20 songs. producers have bilss and need to eat too! like the guy below said everyone else got paid but not the artist who made the song. why should everyone else get paid and not the song maker? I learned this the hard way and now only work with people I know and trust or I release songs myself and make all of the money from sales. it is unfortunate that the music business is like this, but it is reality. when I buy music I want all of the money to go to the producer not all of these middleman leeches.

2012-12-08 05:39


Anonymous says:

"Good points Ding Dong. Thanks for bringing a voice of reason to the table and pointing out how the shops don't provide much promotional value at all...yet they still take a premium cut on all the sales..

2012-12-07 23:36


@007 (2012-12-06 17:02) says:

"yeah, acting like superstars... talking about their releases like they are the best innovative uniquest in the world.

its more like a kindergarden.

most tracks are mediocre and made by amateurs.

2012-12-07 07:50


Anonymous says:

"does it make sense to upload tracks to beatport & co?

i mean how much many does the average minimal house track earn?

it means a lot of work (creating cover, tagging, uploading) so i think i'll give my tracks away for free.

2012-12-07 07:48


007 says:

"the whole scene is fake at the moment.
no one is making any real money.
it just looks 'big'.

in 2013 many of these faker-corporations will finally collapse big time.

then we'll see.

2012-12-06 17:02


Ding Dong says:

""Stop smoking crack ya jaded twat.

These online retailers give artists more exposure than before when they were around.

It's the information age and while the cut % might not be what you want the exposure well outweighs the loss in %.

40% of a $2 track sold to 500 people is better than 80% of a $2 track sold to 100 people.

Get with the times buddy and maybe try making something people want to buy. I don't think you'd be happy with a 100% cut of a $20 track that only your mum and your sister buy.."

You're an idiot.

There is a reason why retailers advertise the same labels and artists over and over and over - they have contracts outlining advertising and an additional monetary interest beyond the usual upload and selling of songs. Also, many of these indie labels you see on the home pages pay for the ad space. 99.99% of releases never get any attention beyond simple text and a small thumbnail being buried in the genre specific releases. Maybe to you this is "exposure", but to most of us with a brain, its a sham. They do little to no work whatsoever and yet immediately take 50-60% of the sale? Hmm Its like making a product (any product, in any industry) for sale that only gets warehouse shelving and never makes it to the sales floor... a small print ad thrown into a pool of thousands of others daily, chances are no one will ever find it. BUT when someone does happen to stumble upon it the store takes the credit (as if they're kindly supporting and breaking the artist or product to the public) and 50-60% of the money? Only in the music business baby.

Absolutely NO artist gets 40% of a sale on beatport, period. After BP takes their 50-60%, the distro takes 20%, label 50% of what is left over, the original artist at most get 25% (usuallly more like 15-20%), the remixer gets even less and it can take over a year to get paid!! Everyone BUT the artist gets paid immediately. So according to your math, if you're an artist selling direct to the public or through a site that pays royalties immediately, monthly or even quarterly, actually 80% of a $2 track sold to 100 people IS a MUCH MUCH better deal. Your comments show your immaturity and lack of knowledge of the music industry.

"try making something people want to buy." oh god, that is a completely pathetic point of view. Honey, if you're making music just to impress others (unless that is your job, like a sound designer for jingles, TV shows etc), you're going to fail miserably in the music business and in life. Do yourself a favor and TRY MAKING SOMETHING REAL, FROM THE HEART AND SOUL, SOMETHING YOU ACTUALLY FEEL AND BELIEVE IN. Innovate rather than replicate. Now there's a novel idea. You'll be much happier in your career and life in general, even if you dont become rich and famous. Of course like with anything there are exceptions to the rule, but the majority of long lasting famous artist will tell you that satisfaction comes not from money, but from creating something new and unique, not copying what is currently trending just because people want to buy it.

Now who's the "jaded twat" here? :))))))))

2012-12-05 14:28


Anonymous says:

"Anonymous says:
"How do we get big named artists to remix our music?
Do we email them and say I'll pay you $1000, so plz remix my track?
How does that work??

Yes, exactly. Try to contact them directly, if not then via their manager/agent... but $1000. wont get you a REALLY big name, more like $3000-$5000. + a royalty %. AND obviously, most artists wont give you the time of day unless you're a serious artist/label in the first place.. they must like the song up for remix and believe in the label releasing it, otherwise they probably wont even respond to your request.

2012-12-05 13:36


Anonymous says:

"These idiots won't take my payments and I have tried three cards. I have contacted the banks NONE of them have holds or blocks it is all on beatports end and they insist it is the bank. I am not bullshitting to make these complaint seem more legit but I have a cart/hold bin worth $1000 that I wanted to check out with even AFTER I have a discount code. Basically these people will not take my money and they can't do anything about it

2012-11-28 14:28


DR Wang Dot NET says:

"to below poster:

I never bought from beatport (...and probably never will), please can you post an example of the extremly ugly file name in question, I'm curious...thanks :)

about ID3 tags:

if I remember well tracktor overwrite ID3 tacks unless file is read only protected, did you tryed editing file property...

2012-11-26 14:02


Anonymous says:

"I bought some EP's at Beatport.com and the first fucking thing that pierced my fucking eyeballs was the block on editing the ID3 tags. I WANT MY TAGS!!!! Besides that, the filenames are extremely ugly and the download presets are a load of crap. First thing I did was googling 'beatport sucks'. Thank you Beatportsucks.com for spreading the absolute truth!

2012-11-26 11:47


Anonymous says:

"Stop smoking crack ya jaded twat.

These online retailers give artists more exposure than before when they were around.

It's the information age and while the cut % might not be what you want the exposure well outweighs the loss in %.

40% of a $2 track sold to 500 people is better than 80% of a $2 track sold to 100 people.

Get with the times buddy and maybe try making something people want to buy. I don't think you'd be happy with a 100% cut of a $20 track that only your mum and your sister buy..

2012-11-23 16:45


Anonymous says:

"Lots of chatter....minimal solutions. The beauty of Beatport as I see it is that it gives shitty dj's access to shitty tracks to play shitty tracks....the result......a shitty night for edm lovers. But this is how good dj's and producers stand out...weeding through the shit to find the beat

2012-11-23 16:22


Anonymous says:

"Why not start a site that only take 20% of sales then?

2012-11-21 16:07


Anonymous says:

"@ "Fucking morons! 0.89 cents is actually less than 1 cent. Did you skip ALL the math classes from 1st grade on? if you want to write 89 cents it's 89 fucking cents or 0.89 MOTHERFUCKING DOLLARS, not 0.89 cents."

It actually is 0.89cents..

2012-11-20 09:12


Anonymous says:

"Fucking morons! 0.89 cents is actually less than 1 cent. Did you skip ALL the math classes from 1st grade on? if you want to write 89 cents it's 89 fucking cents or 0.89 MOTHERFUCKING DOLLARS, not 0.89 cents.

2012-11-19 08:09


Anonymous says:

"What does most popular release actually mean?

2012-11-14 19:08


TLR says:

"Why the same artist is always on the front page? there are other great artist who have not been heard and has more songs than David Guetta, Axwell, Laidback Luke, Nicky Romero, Afrojack or any other big names get the their tracks on the front page.

2012-11-14 06:39


Anonymous says:

"How do we get big named artists to remix our music?
Do we email them and say I'll pay you $1000, so plz remix my track?
How does that work??

2012-11-13 02:21


Anonymous says:

"I wonder what freakin determines the Beatport chart rank positions. It seem to change every 6 hours. I've got my release on Beatport genre top 100 release, and the position fluctuates about 10 ranks.

Wonder what this is actually. What determines the chart ranks? Well, purchases are the obvious one, but do number of plays, or even facebook/twitter/google+ sharing affect the chart ranks as well?

If so, that is actually pretty lame. So basically musicians with more likes or followers in their social platforms are bound to be more successful.

2012-11-13 02:20


Apex says:

"How's the homegrown open source project coming along?

2012-11-11 19:31


Anonymous says:

"as an artist on a label that uses Beatport, I cannot mention my identity or label's name, but thank god I can vent. I have never released a non vinyl product since this year, everything i have on Beatport until now has been a 12" product. This year I was going to have a beatport exclusive 4 track e.p. that was supposed to be public by september. It is now November, my release was uploaded and the mysteriously evaporated from the beatport servers 4xs now. I thought that wa the most of the issues with my label. They made numerous calls to tech support, 2 face to face meetings that were rescheduled, etc etc.... then my label owner told me more about what was happening, money was/is missing from accounts, people complaining that they are buyong tracks but actually purchasing other artists on other labels stuff and not what they bought, and then a host of minor problems, incorrect info on the trax that are available, wrong titles/info etc... my exclusive for my non existant e.p. ends on dec 2nd and Nokia/Itunes/etc get my e.p. , really dissapointed as a lot of effort went into promoting this project, 4 different promo vids were made, tons of spamming, web site built, etc etc...so my first dealing with beatport really blows ass.... fuck you beat port

2012-11-10 15:41


Anonymous says:

"$1.49 - Beatport: label share ~0.89 cents

you mean 0.89 USD. Not cent. Very missleading.

2012-11-08 01:17


Anonymous says:

"found this complaint on kvraudio..
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:42 pm reply with quote
well im no mp3 buyer, hate to buy downloads so most items are out on cd as well, well 1 release is only digital with bonus tracks sucks..... the label sucks too as they say no other way. ok got it, i was then heading to beatport as they offer the same release around 5 bucks cheaper than amazon and itunes (dunno why!) and i registered wanted to buy, WAV files cost extra lol! so you get for 15 bucks only mp3s, no WAV, no cd (of course) no artwork (of course), all you got for a cd price for 13 bucks your choice, now you are restricted. well the payment isnt possible, some issue with paypal and beatport, i got enough funds so i asked paypal, no iussue, all is fine, i mailed 10 times beatport with replies, they ignore me now as they say it's paypal and i told them it sucks their service and that all other sites like ebay, private, discogs and more have no issue but their site and why shall i pay extra for wavs.

so BEATPORT SUCKS!!!!!

unbelievable that this crap exists. im sad that cds seem to be really a disadvantage nowadays....

in the end i still didnt get the release and tried to contact the musician himself and pay him directly! let's see if he replies!

2012-11-01 00:02


dave lee says:

"you're talking shit you idiot

2012-10-26 12:20


Anonymous says:

"Good article, but fuck your black background with white font text...

2012-10-23 12:05


Anonymous says:

"beatport the best!

2012-10-23 07:00


Jean AUNIS says:

"hello im Jean AUNIS & im a DJ Producer

2012-10-22 08:56


Anonymous says:

"Your argument has very little worth. Most of the artists/DJs I know as a promoter look to make money from going out and playing shows, and touring. Sites like Beatport and many others allow them to get their music in front of a larger crowd of people and maybe make a little doing it, but I don't think many artists/DJs are disillusioned by how this works. The music game is in shambles by online piracy and needs to adapt to survive. Artists have to make the bulk of their money playing shows, that is all there is too it.

2012-10-19 15:27


svenmaster says:

"beetport is a rip of,used them before and all good,tried again yesterday,my card dont work,my paypal dont work,have no tracks i wanted and they still charged me even though i was not able to buy shit.

2012-10-17 17:30


Anonymous says:

"so i wanted to buy an acapella - the price was 1,56€ and beatport keeps adding vat even i change my country to a country where there a no vats.
paying with paypal ofc - worked for all other download stores - even my country is an other in my paypal account.
so in fact i have to pay 0,23 additional to the acapella - makes 1,79€.(the acapella is exclusive to beaport only :S)
wonder why they still support vat of other countries?

2012-10-15 10:34


Anonymous says:

"if you dont buy music directly from the artist, then you are a complete dumbass. the world of musicians doesnt revolve around hype, it revolves around money so they can eat sometimes, and maybe pay a bill or two. fuck beatport, buy direct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2012-10-09 08:45


Anonymous says:

"beatport sucks because they are now nothing more than a wanna-be tabloid looking for the next scoop on edm LA 20-teentards and/or the next hit from an unknown that they can grab and make bank off. all you posers here, get a clue.. being a dj or producer isnt ALL that you might think noob. if you dont love and know how to actually make music.. I mean, 3 hours a day since 5 years old (and now 20 hours a day/everyday shit..) then send your demos to beatport and btw later.

2012-10-09 08:32


herman says:

"this website in unreadeble

please invert: withe backgorund - black text

this is not a joke, your content is interesting but what really sucks is your CSS

2012-10-03 14:43


Andrew says:

"Dear DJs! Now there is a way to search tracks on beatport.com using camelot wheel key BPM range and much more. Take a look at http://www.katasonov.com/beatport-key-search

2012-10-01 08:16


Anonymous says:

"Well you tell us how to sell music then? These companies need to make a profit and they do a lot of promotions. maybe your music just sucks thats why you are not selling. Make good and relevant music, spend money and do some REAL promo, get a buzz the watch your sales increase

2012-09-30 13:55


Anonymous says:

"There will be no change as long as artists are to damn stupid to think different.

The people (musicians) probably will only have a chance to get rid of that music mafia, if they set up their own system, something like the following described bellow:

A main website (let's call it https://artistsource.com for now) with a database including just some technical information (website URL etc), artist's name and music genre. The main stuff like audio files, payment system etc. is hosted on the artist's website. Artistsource.com only loads the search results and information over an imported and encrypted module which is cached until the artist refreshes it (e.g. when a new release poped out). But the software must be as easy as possible so that a 5 year old kid could even configure it. Artistsource.com itself should get financed by the artists itself by paying the monthly bills per donations (and maybe 1-2 little ads regarding music stuff). If the system has 100.000 active artists and every one donates just 5$ a year, that would be 41666 bucks a month, enough to develop and run that shit.

Anyway, can you imagine what kind of revolution that would be, seeing itunes and every other mafia organization in the market getting ruined, while everyone's buying directly from the artists? That would kill the market as we know it. The only music which would be sold further on itunes etc would be the old music where the (major)labels (still) have the owner rights. Well, but this won't happen, because the artists are to damn stupid, binding themselves to a (major)label, letting people control their sales.

However, anothert situation is myspace.com. They should've made the option to buy and download music directly from the label/artists, back in the days. But they weren't innovative enough to see their chance and to make a big change in the music business. Rather than that they changed the web interface, becoming one of the most stupid, ugly and unussable one around the world and finally sold it to that mafia idiot Murdoch. No wonder it's dead. Anyway, artists get pounded from everyone, everywhere and nothing will change till they realize that fact. Everyone used an embedded beatport player on myspace, remember? lol, the artists are the ones who made beatport what it is now! Artists will allways get ripped off from people who benefit and profit from their work! A pain in the ass? Well not for people like Hawtin, Aquaviva and so on, that's for sure.

Somehow just my 2 cents (or maybe 5$ a year soon?)

2012-09-29 19:39


Anonymous says:

"If you ever been on play.beatport.com and watched how the people there use it to massively spam the shit out of it, you'll know that most of them are just crazy 'n retarded. Minimum 90% of the comments are pure spam and if you don't believe me, then take a look at it yourself! Btw, trackitdown isn't any better regarding to "getting a foot into that bizz". Just some homo dudes who think they know how "quality" music should sound like, but they definitely don't! I make music since '95, so i guess i know a lil bit about it.

Keep ya head up!

2012-09-29 17:28


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2012-09-25 12:12


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2012-09-25 12:11


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2012-09-25 12:11


Anonymous says:

"I am a great musician, i make really beautiful music, i spend a lot of time working on every track to make it as enjoyable as possible.
But i have never made a dime with beatport.
Economy is tough, i would love if i could live just by making my music, but reallity is that they dont give a shit about the artists, they just care about money.

with that said, here is my free track so you dont have to give your money to this piece of shit money hungry assholes.

http://www33.zippyshare.com/v/14493590/file.html
http://www33.zippyshare.com/v/39682447/file.html
http://www33.zippyshare.com/v/6709174/file.html

I would be glad to see this company's building on fire.

2012-09-21 15:55


Anonymous says:

"If you're sick of the beatport experience, check out Pulselocker.com. It's the first subscription service for DJs. DJ millions of tracks, on Serato/Traktor/VirtualDJ, online or off - for a low monthly cost. We're in private beta and looking for beta testers.

www.pulselocker.com

2012-09-13 16:48


Anonymous says:

"Anyone here affected by the shutdown of music distributor, NuUrban Music? I found a good service that will help you out.. http://app.junglepress.org

2012-09-11 19:10


Anonymous says:

"Don't buy music. Simple as that. Then the artist gets no money, but that's better than giving 2/3 of your money ($1.50-2.50 for a song? WOW) to some greedy site.

2012-09-05 14:16


Anonymous says:

"its a tired conversation by now. "danse club". your best chance for success is to do it yourself -ALL OF IT. beatport will not help in any way shape or form unless they are getting more than the normal "I wanna be famous, my stuff is better than that, so I use beatport noob" %. even if you do have a great release and magically the BP knobhead interns (who make no $ BTW, yet are the front line filter/shot callers) recognize this, they'll get on board with a little genre front page promotion action and then forget you ever existed after sales start to decline. they exploited, got their cut, you'll have to wait to get you're measly 20% cut, good bye. all of a sudden, the store is more important than the music creator? unfortunately that is how it works. just dont do it.

2012-08-27 05:08


Danse Club Records says:

"Yo Everyone,

We (Brodanse aka Austen and Scott Smare) have only recently set up Danse Club and we are now planning our 'distribution/sales strategy'. The vinyl side of the distribution is one thing (and we are proud to say that we are working with Word & Sound) but digital distribution/sales is another thing altogether and this is what we wanted to share our...

We understand that Beatport allegedly now control between 80% to 90% of the dance music download market and that they take between 40%-50% of the sale price, furthermore we understand they require a distribution company (seems a bit unnecessary as one user pointed out to have a distributor on the internet, who is effectively making money for doing almost nothing) who take a further 20% leaving the artist and us with relatively little.

We also see that Beatport now has its own "distribution" company with Baseware which we suppose will eventually force all distribution, labels, artists, other stores and companies to go through them for a price, so in effect they will ultimately dominate the dance music market and create a monopoly; as we know in the end that is what kills the market - a few trying to force the market in a very aggressive way to buy their substandard product.

I agree with one poster's comment "Beatport it would seem is another 'mafia' hand over music that will eventually make dance music worse than ever" and in light of our impending decision to work with Beatport we question our willingness to give away so much (40%-50%) to a corporation that's 'raping' the music industry for the sake of our labels recognition...

We think that the only thing we can do is to not play along, do everything ourselves e.g. sell on our website and support others doing the same, maybe in doing so inspiring more to do so in the future. I think it is agreed that if the music is good, word should spread and we would from there develop a larger fan base, see sales profits, and be able to invest in more music + shows...

However on the flip side, we read of some labels that have been selling through Beatport for a long time. They say that 90% of their income comes from Beatport, and that the key is to get support from the big artists for your releases. However we understand that big artists predominately don't listen to promos by small labels e.g. us. They say that basically the only way to succeed and have chart hits is to get supported by the big artists and spend money on getting a big name artist to remix your releases - both of which we are doing at Danse Club (we are working with a number of well known artists on the remixes and also seem to have a lot of support from artists, distribution companies and other labels…).

What we do not want to do is sacrifice our chances of success by not using Beatport and in effect not being charted by the well known artists… however on reflection when looking at the bigger picture we see a real danger of working with Beatport and what it is we are contributing to...

We would very much value your opinion on the above and we would like to get your thoughts...

P.s - Great news - we have just scheduled the first 5 releases for Danse Club and they really are amazing, we are bringing back the classics!!

Best Austen and Scott
Danse Club Records
www.danseclub.com
http://www.facebook.com/danseclub

2012-08-12 07:14


Danse Club Records says:

"Yo Everyone,

We (Brodanse aka Austen and Scott Smare) have only recently set up Danse Club and we are now planning our 'distribution/sales strategy'. The vinyl side of the distribution is one thing (and we are proud to say that we are working with Word & Sound) but digital distribution/sales is another thing altogether and this is what we wanted to share our...

We understand that Beatport allegedly now control between 80% to 90% of the dance music download market and that they take between 40%-50% of the sale price, furthermore we understand they require a distribution company (seems a bit unnecessary as one user pointed out to have a distributor on the internet, who is effectively making money for doing almost nothing) who take a further 20% leaving the artist and us with relatively little.

We also see that Beatport now has its own "distribution" company with Baseware which we suppose will eventually force all distribution, labels, artists, other stores and companies to go through them for a price, so in effect they will ultimately dominate the dance music market and create a monopoly; as we know in the end that is what kills the market - a few trying to force the market in a very aggressive way to buy their substandard product.

I agree with one poster's comment "Beatport it would seem is another 'mafia' hand over music that will eventually make dance music worse than ever" and in light of our impending decision to work with Beatport we question our willingness to give away so much (40%-50%) to a corporation that's 'raping' the music industry for the sake of our labels recognition...

We think that the only thing we can do is to not play along, do everything ourselves e.g. sell on our website and support others doing the same, maybe in doing so inspiring more to do so in the future. I think it is agreed that if the music is good, word should spread and we would from there develop a larger fan base, see sales profits, and be able to invest in more music + shows...

However on the flip side, we read of some labels that have been selling through Beatport for a long time. They say that 90% of their income comes from Beatport, and that the key is to get support from the big artists for your releases. However we understand that big artists predominately don't listen to promos by small labels e.g. us. They say that basically the only way to succeed and have chart hits is to get supported by the big artists and spend money on getting a big name artist to remix your releases - both of which we are doing at Danse Club (we are working with a number of well known artists on the remixes and also seem to have a lot of support from artists, distribution companies and other labels…).

What we do not want to do is sacrifice our chances of success by not using Beatport and in effect not being charted by the well known artists… however on reflection when looking at the bigger picture we see a real danger of working with Beatport and what it is we are contributing to...

We would very much value your opinion on the above and we would like to get your thoughts...

P.s - Great news - we have just scheduled the first 5 releases for Danse Club and they really are amazing, we are bringing back the classics!!

Best Austen and Scott
Danse Club Records
www.danseclub.com
http://www.facebook.com/danseclub

2012-08-12 05:53


Anonymous says:

"THE WHOLE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS FULL OF NONSENSE!!! thats just the way it is people, accept it. make music because u like too and if your ever lucky enough to be signed up as an artist or dj or whatever to agencys and can make a living from performing then do that route coz lets face it bitching about the scene will get us all no where, do what you do coz u enjoy it no other reason.

2012-08-09 07:58


Anonymous says:

"Beatport cancels payments over downloads with no reason trough their aggregators. I am connected trough Feiyr.com and they follow Beatport like a puppy dog. So, Beatport sell 100 downloads of your track in 1st quarter 2010 and debit these in 2012 for no given reason at all?

I need a F***in Lawyer to control the books. This has nothing to do with the music industry anymore.
I am so sick of this business i'll just give away my tracks for free from know on.

Groovelab

2012-08-03 02:17


Anonymous says:

"I'm a regular purchaser of music for all of my DJ gigs - I also produce and release as well so I see both sides of the coin. Just noticed this week though - all prices on Beatport gave jumped up astronomically this week (I'm purchasing in the UK Territory). Everything that usually retails at £1.12 has jumped to £1.49, and the £1.49 tracks have jumped to £1.99. It's also backdated as everything in my hold bin has jumped to these new prices too. I think £1.99 for a single track in 2012 is definitely too much. And this is coming from a guy who would gladly spend 15 quid on an upfront vinyl release back in the day, so I'm not miserable with my cash.

2012-07-31 21:04


Anonymous says:

"LOL.. wtf? i think the internet just read my mind, haha.. beatport has turned to shit, wtf goin in?
cant find any decent artists! who the
f#$% are these apparent artists? wheres all the old stuff?

2012-07-27 07:42


Anonymous says:

"Most of their progressive house top 10 is not even prog house! What the hell? Shite selection, though their deep house fares better.

2012-07-24 19:34


Anonymous says:

"My only complaint is their top 100 Dubstep list. Where do they come up with these? There is usually 5-10 good tracks out of the entire list. I like all types of Dubstep and I DJ and produce and half these tracks SHOULD NOT be on a top 100 anything. Ok I feel better now.

2012-07-22 16:00


red_pill says:

"There's a simple solution - don't support these companies! If you don't support them, they'll become less profitable. And stop pissing and moaning and do something!

If you DO USE them to promote your music, stop complaining, since this is a reality and it will not change. Get yourselves together and organise your own outlet!

YOU brought these companies in existence! When they started out, all they could do was offer you you your cut of the profits and you AGREED upon it. One-by-one you all jumped on the bandwagon. Now you've created monsters and you're complaining? Take back your power!

2012-07-06 11:50


Anonymous says:

"Here we go again. DJMag and Trackitdown have once again excluded literally billions of people around the world from voting in this years top 100 DJ's poll. As with last years poll, you are required to sign up for/use Facebook to cast your vote. Facebook is banned/blocked in many countries around the world, in fact most of Asia, the most populated countries and where most of these "top 100" DJ's end up earning their highest DJ fee's. I know because I am a promoter and DJ myself and unfortunately, most clubs base booking and fee decisions solely on this yearly poll.

By requiring Facebook signup and voting (and probably a few "like's" in the process), clearly DJMag and Trackitdown have a vested monetary interest in certain DJ's and corporate affiliations -we all know who they are) from certain regions and do not care about true fans (not to mention the DJ's themselves) outside of the USA and UK/EU... if they did, they would offer an alternative form of vote casting which would give this poll an even playing field for every DJ in the world. I contacted both DJMag and Trackitdown last year and this week and have received no response whatsoever. So this year I am making it my mission to let people know what is going on and boycott this fake marketing ploy of a popularity contest.

If you care about this industry at all, you wont vote, you wont buy their magazines, music from their stores or visit their websites. These companies are a BIG part of the problem we as artists, producers, label owners, DJ's etc. face today.

Thank you for reading.

2012-06-26 18:15


Anonymous says:

"Al Gore - you're not alone in this. On average I do around 1000-2000 units per song, consistently for the past 7 years or so. I have NEVER received one cent from any PRO. And yes, I am registered/register every release with all of the appropriate organizations. It would seem that either you need a full time attorney on the books chasing them up or you gotta blow somebody to get anywhere with them.

Lets face it, the industry is fvcked. So either DIY and control your shit or get a day job and make music simply because you like to, because in 2012 chances are you'll never make enough cash to live. Fact, there are a very small % of people in this business making any real money and they do it by literally stealing from others. End of...

2012-06-15 19:18


Anonymous says:

"if you dont diy, then dont complain. you are getting EXACTLY what you signed up for.

2012-06-15 19:00


JBlongz says:

"How come no one mentioned Sesac. They're a PRO as well!

2012-06-15 13:40


Anonymous says:

"Al Gore: so is it even worth it to go to the trouble of registering with a Performing Rights Organization? If it is worth it, which ones? If not, then have you yourself stopped your publishing companies?

2012-06-08 12:25


Al Gore says:

"@DoctaMario

What the fuck are you smoking dude? Do you really think the PRO's (BMI & ASCAP) are paying anything to an indie artist that sells 10, or even 1000 tracks on Beatport?

Case & point: I have my own writers account, and 2 publishing companies, one for myself, one for my label. We've done over $5000 on Beatport with my own label, and myself, well over 5x gross income that throughout my musical journey releasing on "top" labels in electro, techno, and trance (career, ha) even though it's dwindled to be less and less in the past 2 years. I also have a big euro sub-publisher that paid me an advance of about ~10k when I was stupid enough to accept it (or maybe not?), but guess what, I never saw a dime from any PRO in the USA or abroad after that, even with proper registration of every song that had beatport chart success, and again, I own all my copyrights and every song.

Don't mean to troll on you man, just wanted to set the record straight as your post is incredibly misleading for the other folks around here. Yes the music industry sucks, no, it's not Beatports fault. Could they pay a little more? fuck yeah, but so could ITunes, Amazon, Audiojelly, etc. The entire music business needs to change, but it won't, because that's where we're at, at this point in time. Make sick music, hope people come to your shows, and try to hawk physical materials like t-shirts and have some innovative ideas that make people actually want to support you.

I could write so much more, but now I'm realizing, what the fuck is the point, I'm posting anonymously on beatportsucks.com under 'Al Gore' because i'm too much of a pussy to put my artist name. fuck it

---

DoctaMario says:
"Seems like a lot of folks complaining about money don't know what their options are, especially where publishing is concerned.

As the unsigned writer of a track/song/jam/whatever you call it, you're entitled to be paid whenever you sell a track, not only for the sale itself, but for the fact that you wrote and published it. And if you've properly registered your songs with ASCAP or BMI (they're called Performing Rights Organizations, look them up), as BOTH A WRITER AND A PUBLISHER, you're going to make a lot more money than you will just hoping Beatport, iTunes, or whoever will give you more money. Every time you sell a track, that sale is counted by whatever PRO you've registered with and you'll be paid accordingly. It may only be an extra $1 per track you sell, but if you think about it in terms of a 6 track EP, you're talking about $60 for 10 sales. Doesn't sound like a lot right now, but it can add up.

Yes, the music biz is stacked against you, yes you will get screwed, no most of the business owners don't really care about you unless you can make them some money. But there are options out there to get paid if you know about them, and I can almost guarantee that most up and coming EDM producers DON'T, based on the number of times I've given this speech.

Research publishing. It's where all the money's at in the music business. It's why Berry Gordy from Motown got rich well before some of his biggest artists did, because he owned part of the publishing rights for songs he didn't even write (though he was a writer himself.)

2012-05-31 16:58


Anonymous says:

"RE: Bandcamp = read the fine print.

You lose on all fronts, including if you and/or the song(s) go big. They own the rights to exploit.

Bandcamp is nothing more than a lazy mans outlet- exactly what they want... You will NEVER get rich working with them no matter how big a song is.

2012-05-30 07:44


Planonymous says:

"what are price stats on bandcamp? i love buying from bandcamp.

2012-05-28 08:40


Anonymous says:

"I am used to buy from Bandcamp and evrything is fine

2012-05-24 06:42


Anonymous says:

"Hi there frustrated music community!
I've read through many many comments below, and see that many many people are upset with beatport and the way they conduct business. I don't want to discredit peoples opinions, and I'm very glad that this website exists - I have one comment though:

How is it that so many people are blaming beatport for ruining the music industry? They are simply playing the same music game that's been around for decades - a principal thats associated with trading for centuries...

Provide people with a product they think they want, and control the market as much as possible. It might not be ideal for everyone, but they're doing a good job because: the music industry that preceded beatports existence FORCED a company like this to rise up...

Car companies, fast food, clothes - it's all the same really...

I can't blame the people who capitalize on opportunities to sieze a market... I can blame the people in history that led to this opportunity arising...

2012-05-17 00:50


DoctaMario says:

"Seems like a lot of folks complaining about money don't know what their options are, especially where publishing is concerned.

As the unsigned writer of a track/song/jam/whatever you call it, you're entitled to be paid whenever you sell a track, not only for the sale itself, but for the fact that you wrote and published it. And if you've properly registered your songs with ASCAP or BMI (they're called Performing Rights Organizations, look them up), as BOTH A WRITER AND A PUBLISHER, you're going to make a lot more money than you will just hoping Beatport, iTunes, or whoever will give you more money. Every time you sell a track, that sale is counted by whatever PRO you've registered with and you'll be paid accordingly. It may only be an extra $1 per track you sell, but if you think about it in terms of a 6 track EP, you're talking about $60 for 10 sales. Doesn't sound like a lot right now, but it can add up.

Yes, the music biz is stacked against you, yes you will get screwed, no most of the business owners don't really care about you unless you can make them some money. But there are options out there to get paid if you know about them, and I can almost guarantee that most up and coming EDM producers DON'T, based on the number of times I've given this speech.

Research publishing. It's where all the money's at in the music business. It's why Berry Gordy from Motown got rich well before some of his biggest artists did, because he owned part of the publishing rights for songs he didn't even write (though he was a writer himself.)

2012-05-10 13:33


Anonymous says:

"For 13%-8% you can sign up with http://www.artistmonster.com and skip the 60% all together, and let them promote it for you.

2012-05-05 07:06


The Lion says:

"This site seems quite misguided, as ALL digital download sites (not just the music sites) pay the artists less per download, because the cost for physical resources in making product available means they do not charge as much to the artists for materials. On the plus side, each artist makes up a large portion of that discounted price in volume, as digital downloads reach a much larger market base.

2012-05-04 07:10


Anonymous says:

"Have a look at this piece of software for music distro: http://bit.ly/bps01010

2012-05-01 22:01


Anonymous says:

"its unbelievable how fucked up dance-music is at the moment.
even the so called cool 'underground' is corrupt like hell!
for example if you look at the whole crosstown rebels, jamie jones, seth troxler hype, you can see that their 'success' is just a very professional fake by a management which is directly involved in mixmag, resident advisor, beatport and other 'companies'...
just check out 'ed karney' and ask yourself why dancemusic-mainstream-media declared jamie jones and seth troxler to be the new superstars.
surprise, surprise.

i am not a drama-queen, but i have to say :
this is not fair play.

in the end that is what kills the market :
a few people trying to force people in a very aggressive way to buy their shit product.

only the people out there can stop this!
stop reading mixmag, stop surfing on resident advisor, stop going to events with these hype-acts and of course STOP BUYING AT BEATPORT!

2012-04-24 02:58


DPST TMPST says:

"To expand on what I said earlier, my biggest gripe with sites like Beatport is that they do not do the classics. Especially early '90s trance and progressive house. There needs to be more of that Eye Q, MFS, and Platypus, Guerrilla, Cowboy, and Stress awesomeness for the new generation to know and hear about.

2012-04-21 17:34


Anonymous says:

""beatport doesnt suck that bad. private torrent trackers, music blogs and careless server hosts suck. they dont take 40%...they take 100%..."

umm.. yes those blogs and zip sites are killing us, but clearly you have never dealt with label, distribution, retail, managers, expenses, annual royalty statements, payments.. producers are getting totally ripped off by the people who are supposedly representing us. its not only the retail or distribution stealing or being lazy, its the labels not reporting sales and paying. this is the whole point (I think) to www.beatportsucks.com. they are the center point of everything happening. the new distribution company? the web tv/dj site? please... its a bunch of NON dj's sitting in a room in colorado scheming this shit up.

dont buy from beatport.

diy.

support diy artist.

watch beatport squirm.

2012-04-20 10:21


DPST TMPST says:

"Beatport is all about trendy music. They are not underground at all, you won't find a lot of genres like progressive psy or modern Goa trance on there. Progressive psy and modern Goa trance music are anti-commercial and truly underground music. All you'll find on Beatport these days is electro house, pop dubstep, and tech house. All of the music sounds the same, no variety at all.

2012-04-19 19:40


Julian says:

"Something is up for sure. They are no more able to stand alone, sales plummeted dramatically last year. They either will go bankrupt or a bigger company is going to buy them.

2012-04-19 07:38


Anonymous says:

" Beatport is probably merging with another company. Something is up...

2012-04-16 09:27


Flurrybeat says:

"Word on the street says Beatport is in financial troubles...watch out

2012-04-16 02:51


Debus says:

"Beatport really sucks because :

1. They promote fake producers (ones who steal entirely 100 % tracks and sell them under other titles and labels).

2. They have region policy. In Eastern Europe you cannot buy with your credit card from beatport. And there are more. When i had problems the support was zero, no replies to e-mails and stuff. Never had problems with others, traxsource, juno. But this beatport guys are a leech for the artists, they live on their back!

2012-04-14 07:35


Anonymous says:

"lol at all these stupid comments...
the "shit" producers/dj's are big for a reason... people like their shit music, its all aesthetic... people like it because they cant help but like it because our bodies like it...
take some music theory you indie wannabees...

2012-04-13 21:52


Anonymous says:

"That is ridiculous!! The artist should get more than that.. The artist is the one who puts in the most work and effort to produce the track!

2012-04-13 07:28


Anonymous says:

"No way señor
That shop is way over rated and over hyped
Even big names won't sell in the vast majority of cases

2012-04-11 12:51


HR LABEL says:

"i own 2 record labels, been selling through beatport since 2008. 90% of the income comes from beatport.. so i can't really complain.. but guys, trust me, beatport is not that bad. the key is to get support by the big artists. if you get support by them (sending promo) the success is there, for sure. the thing is, big artists don't listen to promos by small labels. they only listen to promos by ultra, mos, toolroom, mixmash, and a few more. so, the big guys play your track, you get it supported (played & charted), people buy it.. if the artist succeeds with 3 or 4 tracks.. you have the next mark knight (he gets all the beatport top 100). so basically, the only way to succeed and have chart hits is to get supported by the big artists. i have spent money on facebook ads, blog sendouts, but nothing works, just sending promo. oh and also, spending 1000 euros on getting a famous artist to remix one of your releases. if you have, let's say, 5k euros, spend them on 3-4 proper remixes and you will AUTOMATICALLY succeed..

2012-04-11 12:07


somebrokedj says:

"beatport doesnt suck that bad. private torrent trackers, music blogs and careless server hosts suck. they dont take 40%...they take 100%...

2012-04-09 02:03


Admin says:

"a good article about our situation..
http://digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2012/120214cracker

2012-04-07 02:11


Music Addict says:

"Dear BeatportSucks.com Users:

I love the rawness of the comments from all of you.. This is so great and the response to the creation of this site has been overwhelming and I think will lead to change in the industry. Your raw uncensored feedback is what this industry needs before it can change and this site has helped bring us all together.

I see new products and sites being developed all the time that help alleviate some of our troubles as artists and small labels but we are not quite there yet. For my own needs, I've taken it upon myself to develop a webapp that helps fix some of the stuff that hindered my promotional capacity..and I was able to increase my distribution channels and fanbase reach through it..

I'll reveal more about this sooner or later I suppose..but just know there are answers on the way..and many many talented engineers and problem solvers in our own community who will step up and address these issues.. Maybe we can all come together in some way in the end?

And as Big Ballz put it "there is so little money to be made in sales.." this is definitely true if you are on any popular retail store...

..but if you do it yourself as many have said.. and have a nice organic and informed fanbase, you could fair off way better than trying to compete against all the "poppy" made-to-sell stuff that dominates Beatport and some of the other major shops..

This is not an easy accomplishment, but there are proven methods than can help you achieve this goal.. I think I will just have to start up a podcast or blog and go over all of this stuff, as I find time to write about it, because it is essential information for anyone that wants music to be their full-time thing...


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2012-04-02 03:31


Big Ballz says:

""There so little money to be made in sales these days, I don't really care about my split."

Don't insult yourself. If you're making quality music its worth something. The willingness to give that something away to a corporation that's raping the music industry for the sake of recognition says a lot about the fucked up balance between self-respect and the need for attention that has created the current flood of poppy EDM crap and vulnerability to big time marketing. If your'e making music with the goal of "making it", give up, because even if you somehow get there with the homogeneous crap you produce as a sacrifice to get to that point you'll realize what a fake, passionless loser you really are compared to those that gained success through their love and appreciation for music innovation. Miles Davis never gave a fuck what others thought, and that's what made him a great musician. Independence from the bullshit masses.

Its amazing to me how many people waste countless hours of time making crappy music in order to follow a superficial dream of success, fueling the market of corporate music that's permeated the EDM scene, rather than trying to explore what their deeper passions might be, in music or otherwise. Western culture at its finest.

2012-03-30 10:28


Label Owner says:

"Any labels here charting in the genre top 100 on beatport?
I released an EP on March 5th, beatport reported 12 sales in 4 days and the EP charted FOR 10 DAYS in the Top 100 Electro House Releases!

2012-03-29 00:29


Anonymous says:

"now that miami is wrapping up and payments are due... lets see how many of us DONT get a royalty check for 2011.

2012-03-28 08:08


Anonymous says:

"Beatport doesnt suck. Why? because I dont buy or sell music there anymore. They are nonexistent as far as I am concerned.

I sell my music on my own website and I only buy music from people who do the same. If I cant give my hard earned money to the deserving person who made the music, I would rather do without. Simple as that really ;)

2012-03-11 21:45


Anonymous says:

"www.rydio.com sounds like a good idea, looks like it might be a good platform.. but what for exactly? It is kind of confusing (to me anyway) as to what exactly you are offering artists. Are you a store? A label? Another subscription cloud site that takes an additional cut off of Paypal donations? Do artists get a free site to promote/sell original music and other goods? If I sign up today, what happens next? Would be good to see a breakdown of how you're planning to make it all work.

2012-03-11 21:40


Rydio says:

"Everyone please check out www.rydio.com. Low royalty payouts and other issues have become an increased concern within the music community and that is why we've come up with this project. We need as much help as possible through support and shares, in order to provide both artists and listeners with a platform we all want and deserve.

2012-03-11 13:25


Anonymous says:

"Labels get voided transactions from Beatport, hardly any sales, and sales have been dropping and dropping ... Most guys now selling at Beatport don't even know what a label is

2012-03-05 10:36


Anonymous says:

"Anon says:
"There so little money to be made in sales these days, I don't really care about my split."

what an attitude. its people like you that beatport and all of these other shit labels and distributors are counting on to think this way so they can continue ripping artists off.

and to the last post below- beatport takes more than 40%. they require distribution and label which take a further 25% leaving the artist with almost nothing AND the artist is the only one on the money chain who has to wait a year to get paid!! these people are making money for doing almost nothing, THIS is the problem!!!!!!

2012-03-04 09:18


Anonymous says:

"Ok maybe they have their faults but nowhere is perfect. Beatport has actually got a bad reputation which i feel it's undeserving of. it's primary role is a business. it creates a platform which just happens to be the biggest in the world now and takes a 40% cut of every sale. It's not really that much and they have staff, rates, licencing in various countries toi pay for and probably massive server costs which nobody seems to consider. As for selling cheese like David Guetta well ok yes it's shit :) but it's also money as it sells creating revenue for what is their objective to make money. I'm sure the guys or girls who started it have a lot of love for the music. I know a lot of the staff do as i've spoken to some of them about orders when i've had problems. So i keep an open mind and If Beatport has tracks i want then i'm happy to buy as long as they aren't funding al quaeda like some of the stupid rumours i've heard. What i do dislike is the sites who take artists music and put it out there the day it's released free for anyone to download. everyone loves a freebie now and then but when it's done on this scale it does serious harm to the music and as a artist and lover of music myself i can tell you it's not nice it's really upsetting. Anyway i hope i havent ruffled anyone i just thought i'd let you know how i feel. i still use independants and buy vinyls and if an artist has bandcamp i buy there. Best Wishes Ben

2012-03-02 08:21


Anon says:

"There so little money to be made in sales these days, I don't really care about my split.

2012-02-29 10:02


Anonymous says:

"yeah i stopped shopping at Beatport - too much David Guetta, Skrillex and Deadmau5

I only use Traxsource.com - real underground house music.

2012-02-29 07:57


Anonymous says:

"hey what about people buying their own track to get in the charts..

2012-02-26 15:02


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2012-02-25 21:49


Anonymous says:

"beatport does suck. they only care about the bottom line = money. its a crap interface pushing products from people which they are in cooperative business with eg: dim mak, mau5trap, toolroom, soundstosdample, native instruments etc. I think it is funny how they try to take credit for the success of many artists of the past few years.. as if they helped them or something. talk about jumping on the bandwagon. lame.

2012-02-25 18:56


Anonymous says:

"Do not join Beatport.....simple! It is a consumer driven machine that will only fuck you, the artist and everyone else in the middle over.....excet them of course...they'd be loaded by now!!!!!!!

2012-02-24 16:21


Anonymous says:

"Beatport are a pack of fucktards!!!! I processed a transaction it went through 3 times to the tune of $80 and no music was available for me to download and they refuse to answer emails or call....what a pack of cunts!!!!!!!

2012-02-24 16:19


Anonymous says:

"Regarding the Voided payment issue, back in 2010, my label released a 40 track compilation, which was pirated and uploaded onto 100's of torrents a few days after the release.
We had apparently sold a copy of the whole compilation via Beatport (which was the ONLY store that we had sold a whole copy of the release from at the time).
The torrents appeared online the next day , and later the sale of the entire album was voided !!so how the fuck was the whole album torrented, only a day after the ''voided sale'' ?
The answer is that the sale was legitimate , the void was not !
Revenge is a dish best served cold as they say !

2012-02-23 07:54


Anonymous says:

"GUYS PLEASE JOIN THIS ON FACEBOOK IF WE WANT TO GET ANYWHERE !!! http://www.facebook.com/pages/Beatport-Strike/188450527927020

2012-02-22 16:18


Anonymous says:

"i think beatport are not after quality music, but after money, they dont give a shit if the music is good as long as it sells to brainless tasteless people! They cheat on voided actions - I was told big distributors have already sent one or two lawyers about voided to BeatPort. BeatPort deleted our label without even giving us any indication that something is wrong with it ir with its sales!! This is not how one should treat business partners, arrogance is something that marks the beginning if the End if BeatPort dominance on the Electronic music market!!

2012-02-22 15:10


Anonymous says:

"@Anonymous RE: sound quality: usually it's the label's fault. I'm pretty sure Beatport just sells the same wav that is provided by the label. Can you show an example?

2012-02-20 14:14


Anonymous says:

"Its the sound quality that is my major complaint being that I have an audio engineering background. I dislike anything lossless, PERIOD. Even when downloading 44.1 kHz tracks, its already been compressed. Some tracks I've listened to have been normalized over the 0 db level prior to me downloading resulting in squared off sign waves = clipped distorted audio. Its just deprssing. I need to find a reliable site that offers sound quality that is up to par for DJing, recording, etc...

2012-02-19 14:52


Anonymous says:

"beatport is a fucking scam. don't use them at all. use Digital-Tunes.

2012-02-18 15:15


Anonymous says:

"@Gotanidea RE: vibedeck.com

On the face it looks like a decent turn key service on offer, but read the fine print and you'll notice that any content you upload to your site (names, photos, media files etc.) they have the non-exclusive right to exploit in any manner they choose. Also, you wont find in the fine print (rather shortly after joining) that they charge $36.USD/YR -EACH- for one of 4 "extra" features like using your own domain, 60 second sample previews, pre-orders and reporting to SoundScan. Plus you'll still have Paypal taking a cut as well.

It is a good idea in concept (apparently it started out at free or $12./YR for full service) but now at $144./YR + Paypal fee's for each sale.. for that price they don't offer enough features (no encoding, no distribution, they have right to use content etc.), its basically just a player widget with a buy button linked to your Paypal account. IMO you're better off building you own site, controlling your content, copyrights and sales.

2012-02-17 13:07


Anonymous says:

"You mean Ass-Licking exclusives.

2012-02-16 13:41


Anonymous says:

"Beatport has awesome exclusives!
+
I don't want to give my credit card number!
=
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!! xD

2012-02-16 04:51


Anonymous says:

"100's of labels dropped within the last few weeks but not much talk about it.

Many good labels.

Of course many shit labels still on beatport.

The sooner their greed peaks for selective actions and ass-licking big-super-star-Dj's to keep the brain-dead buying at their site, the better for us all.

Let the fall begin.

2012-02-15 18:52


PISSED OFF LABEL OWNER says:

"It seems Beatport is up to it's old tricks again. Random voided transactions with this explanation...
"The increase is a result of some remaining voided transactions from prior periods (2009-2011) being included in your statement. There were technical issues with our system during that period that prevented those voided transactions from being loaded into our system at that time. As a result of these additional voids in the Q4 statements, the total average void percentage for label partners for Q4 2011 is 5.9%. This compares to 4% in Q4 2010, 3% in Q1 & Q2 2011, & 2% in Q3 2011."

Sorry BP that's not good enough. Show me the sales and then the fucking voids.

Beatport needs to be audited. I smell a class action suit.

2012-02-15 14:43


Anonymous says:

"0.64C is good. its better then sony or someone else give you as starting artist

2012-02-15 09:16


Anonymous says:

"Beatport BANNED credit cards from a WHOLE COUNTRY. So...long live zippyshare!

2012-02-15 05:57


Anonymous says:

"Any labels here charting in the top 100 on beatport?

2012-02-15 01:06


Admin says:

"@Anonymous what truth? Please enlighten us..

2012-02-15 00:44


Anonymous says:

"JOIN PLEASE: LOOKING FOR SOME HELP TO ADMIN THIS PAGE

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/pages/Beatport-Strike/188450527927020

2012-02-14 16:48


Join Please says:

"http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/pages/Beatport-Strike/188450527927020

2012-02-14 16:47


Goliath_10 says:

"Damn I hate that the new BeatPort site Implented VAT For every track you add to your cart. If you add many, the VAT amount get's really high. Anyone knows why they suddenly done that? I shoped there for several years without this problem, I live in Norway, only after the launched there new site I have been charged for this Crappy VAT thing. Taxes for buying tracks online. That is horrible!!!

2012-02-14 16:25


Anonymous says:

"even at anonymous, six isnt 6? fuck off mod. this website is a joke. you dont want to reveal the truth

2012-02-14 05:53


Anonymous says:

"even at anonymous, six isnt 6? fuck off mod. this website is a joke. you dont want to reveal the truth

2012-02-14 05:49


Anonymous says:

"Beatport sucks ass...=(

2012-02-13 20:47


Admin says:

"@Anonymous, Kudos to what you said here:
"DIY 100% and you are on your way. Let your music speak for itself. Once you have the fan base you have bargaining power and call the shots. Simple as that."

2012-02-13 13:51


Gotanidea says:

"Vibedeck.com - check this out

2012-02-13 10:54


Elias question says:

"People actually pay to chart? how do you know this?

2012-02-12 13:55


Anonymous says:

"To those who keep saying there is no money in sales and the only real money is in shows... you are totally wrong on both accounts.

It is a fact that music sales are better than ever before. The problem is where the profits are going, and it is obvious where that is.

Almost all DJ's make little or nothing for shows. The market is flooded with local no name, wannabe, know nothing about music types who can push a play button and watch the software do its thing.. raise their arms in the air and smile, golden. Only the most known names who have a large fan base are making any "real" money from shows.

Right now either you play along with the Beatport game, cross your fingers and hope for the best or you struggle. You are playing the lottery and the odds are stacked against you no matter how good your music is.

The only way to change this is to not play along, do everything yourself and support others doing the same. If your music is good, word will spread and you will develop a fan base, you will see sales profits, attract promoters and eventually get shows that pay the "real" money.

DIY 100% and you are on your way. Let your music speak for itself. Once you have the fan base you have bargaining power and call the shots. Simple as that.

2012-02-11 19:42


Elias says:

"Did you knew that for a 250€ you could have a rank in any genre charts for at least 2 days on beatport ?

2012-02-10 09:25


Elias says:

"We made beatport what it is now, we can also take it down on the same way we made it, by looking somewere else.

Thank You Beatport, you made me a favor,

Best

2012-02-10 09:23


Anonymous says:

"if you want to buy tracks to play, here is my favorite stores:

-whatpeopleplay
-itunes
-junodownload

enjoy and fuck off beatport!

2012-02-10 03:37


Me says:

"i tottaly agree to all posts of this smart anonymou5e guy!!!

2012-02-09 17:04


Anonymous says:

"I'm dj and producer.
I'm completely agree with all the story about the selling,fake chart or completely incompetent and bla bla bla!!!!

So now let way we don't ask to our self way all the the different company don't make at list a better web site were you can find an artist buy a track.(if we want to make a war to beatport).

but if we want to make a war to save our industry way we don't stop to make a track(ARTIST) or release(LABEL).

SO NOW I MAKE AN IDEA FOR ALL OF US FOR SAVE OUR INDUSTRY(AS ALL CATEGORY MAKE WEN SOMETHING GET WRONG)

LET'S MAKE A STRIKE FOR 3 TO 6 MONTH AND SEE WATH WILL CHANGE!!!!

STRIKE !!!!!!!!!!
STRIKE !!!!!!!!!!
STRIKE !!!!!!!!!!
STRIKE !!!!!!!!!!
STRIKE !!!!!!!!!!
STRIKE !!!!!!!!!!
STRIKE !!!!!!!!!!
STRIKE !!!!!!!!!!
STRIKE !!!!!!!!!!
STRIKE !!!!!!!!!!
STRIKE !!!!!!!!!!
STRIKE !!!!!!!!!!
STRIKE !!!!!!!!!!
STRIKE !!!!!!!!!!
STRIKE !!!!!!!!!!
STRIKE !!!!!!!!!!

2012-02-09 16:03


David X says:

"Beatport is lame, totally targeted towards amateur "consumer" DJs who have no taste in music. Beatport's selection is horrible. Prime example of why quantity is not better than quality. 100's of new tracks every week, but 99% of them are totally boring, repetitive, predictable garbage that give electronic music a bad name!

2012-02-09 13:44


David X says:

"Beatport is lame, totally targeted towards amateur "consumer" DJs who have no taste in music. Beatport's selection is horrible. Prime example of why quantity is not better than quantity. 100's of new tracks every week, but 99% of them are totally boring, repetitive, predictable garbage that give electronic music a bad name!

2012-02-09 13:43


Anonymous says:

"guys,but the labels are deleted back on beatport? return?i lost more ep..... :(

2012-02-09 10:39


Pat Fontes says:

"Maybe I am just speaking for myself, but artist never really made money off the digital market and barely made anything off the physical market... so...That's why i press vinyl or give it away on my sound cloud http://soundcloud.com/patfontes

2012-02-09 08:40


Anonymous says:

"Beatports's lack of properly defined genres just to push their own agenda of tech-house type sounds. ie. the minimal, tech-house, techno, electro-house sections are all the same. anything harder edged is defined as HARDCORE ignoring whatever the label listed the music as. this makes finding new music/artists impossible.

2012-02-09 07:57


Anonymous says:

"sucking hell!!! like this it will be fucked up for them aswell soon.

2012-02-09 07:07


Anonymous says:

"It really sucks :|

2012-02-09 06:00


Anonymous says:

"i agree 100%

2012-02-09 05:55


Anonymous says:

"I am a label owner and a producer , wtf is the mafia of the music . Beatport yesterday switch off maybe 4000 label ! And not only small label ! a lesson for the digital world. In agree with the Culprits!

2012-02-09 05:53


Anonymous says:

"For the last post: You can sell on beatport, but make him invisible, disclose your content in another stores! this will hurt them a lot.

2012-02-09 05:46


Anonymous says:

"i never sell anymore on beatport!!!

i'm a producer and labelowner ... they only got power thru ME/US!!!

fuck off!

2012-02-09 03:58


Anonymous says:

"Hi, totally agree with last post. We will do it.

2012-02-09 03:50


Anonymous says:

"we are the culprits! Beatport now has on his hands:

1 - Dj/productions Software company's
2 - Dj/productions Equipament company's
3 - The distributors
4 - The labels
5 - The artists
6 - Part of clubs
7 - Part of promoters

So, they dominates the music market, it created a monopoly.

Artists, producers and labels are the majority people, so this people can fuck down beatport.

I propose:

1 - Do not give exclusivity of their releases for Beatport
2 - Never disclose the Beatport release url, make the people listen to its launch in another store;
3 - Never disclose the beatport link
4 - Do not buy on Beatport
5 - Do not list the Beatport
6 - Do chart on Beatport
7 - Show the other stores advantages to the people
8 - Value to yourself, Beatport thinks only of money and fuck the artist.
9 - Make Beatport be invisible

with this we stop this capitalist company! these in our hands!

2012-02-09 02:46


Anonymous says:

"we are the culprits! Beatport now has on his hands:

1 - Dj/productions Software company's
2 - Dj/productions Equipament company's
3 - The distributors
4 - The labels
5 - The artists
6 - Part of clubs
7 - Part of promoters

So, they dominates the music market, it created a monopoly.

Artists, producers and labels are the majority people, so this people can fuck down beatport.

I propose:

1 - Do not give exclusivity of their releases for Beatport
2 - Never disclose the Beatport release url, make the people listen to its launch in another store;
3 - Never disclose the beatport link
4 - Do not buy on Beatport
5 - Do not list the Beatport
6 - Do chart on Beatport
7 - Show the other stores advantages to the people
8 - Value to yourself, Beatport thinks only of money and fuck the artist.
9 - Make Beatport be invisible

with this we stop this capitalist company! these in our hands!

2012-02-09 02:46


Anonymous says:

"we are the culprits! Beatport now has on his hands:

1 - Dj/productions Software company's
2 - Dj/productions Equipament company's
3 - The distributors
4 - The labels
5 - The artists
6 - Part of clubs
7 - Part of promoters

So, they dominates the music market, it created a monopoly.

Artists, producers and labels are the majority people, so this people can fuck down beatport.

I propose:

1 - Do not give exclusivity of their releases for Beatport
2 - Never disclose the Beatport release url, make the people listen to its launch in another store;
3 - Never disclose the beatport link
4 - Do not buy on Beatport
5 - Do not list the Beatport
6 - Do chart on Beatport
7 - Show the other stores advantages to the people
8 - Value to yourself, Beatport thinks only of money and fuck the artist.
9 - Make Beatport be invisible

with this we stop this capitalist company! these in our hands!

2012-02-09 02:41


Anonymous says:

"we are the culprits! Beatport now has on his hands:

1 - Dj/productions Software company's
2 - Dj/productions Equipament company's
3 - The distributors
4 - The labels
5 - The artists
6 - Part of clubs
7 - Part of promoters

So, they dominates the music market, it created a monopoly.

Artists, producers and labels are the majority people, so this people can fuck down beatport.

I propose:

1 - Do not give exclusivity of their releases for Beatport
2 - Never disclose the Beatport release url, make the people listen to its launch in another store;
3 - Never disclose the beatport link
4 - Do not buy on Beatport
5 - Do not list the Beatport
6 - Do chart on Beatport
7 - Show the other stores advantages to the people
8 - Value to yourself, Beatport thinks only of money and fuck the artist.
9 - Make Beatport be invisible

with this we stop this capitalist company! these in our hands!

2012-02-09 02:24


Anonymous says:

"What a crappy calculation! What about 20% vat?? credit card costs, Gema fee? and if an artist is getting 0,41 cents on 1 track its stil way more then the royalty from an actual vinyl record!!! For example:a 3 track 12" as download would pay out 1.20 euro... thats way more then what they'll earn on a 12" that costs 9 euro in a store and that will have a royalty pay out of maybe 0,45 to 0,80 euro!!! Also dont forget the investments from the websites and agregators to be able to sell the music etc. Give people the full info and not the rubbish on this website! Its total nonsense what you write!!!

2012-02-09 00:43


Anonymous says:

"Vinyl is a pain in the ass "Richie Hawtin".
Long life to vinyl...dead to beatport

2012-02-09 00:41


Anonymous says:

"what a crappy calculation! What about 20% vat?? credit card costs, Gema fee? and is an artist is getting 0,41 cents on 1 track its stil way more then they'll get from an actual vinyl reocrd!!! for a 3 track 12" they get 1.20 euro... thats way more then what they'll earn on a 12" that costs 9 euro in a store... what a nonsense website this is!!!

2012-02-09 00:39


f_a_r_e_s says:

"This is how "free market" and "competition" works ...

2012-02-08 23:24


Anonymous says:

"I hope that with the 20% that basewaredistribution aka Beatport new scam will bring, they invest in oil. Because Google Music https://music.google.com/ is gonna CUT THEM OFF TOO sooner or later

2012-02-08 17:30


Anonymous says:

"Play vinyl!!!!! :)

2012-02-08 17:09


Anonymous says:

"MAKE YOUR OWN SHOP!!!!

2012-02-08 15:48


Anonymous says:

"WTF?????? REALLY, getting raped and not getting paid.
These fucking platforms that get greedy have to go!!!
ALL FOR ANARCHY!!!!

2012-02-08 15:29


Anonymous says:

"use Discogs, Bandcamp, ect. Make your own virtual shop...
People have to relearn the pleasure of discovering great tracks/albums intstead of buying top 10 charts.

2012-02-08 15:21


Anonymous says:

"Been on WeakPort for years. NOw they Freakin Drop us. So Fucking Corny

2012-02-08 13:56


Techno never die!!! says:

"Fucking Richie Hawtin, He is the Owner!!!

2012-02-08 12:22


Anonymous says:

"I buy digital music to suport the artists like myself!!!
now i dont realy see the point anymoore. if the artist dosent get paid moore then 0.41 cent per sale.. i am not gonna suport beatport anymoore..
think i will just download it for free and send the money directly to the artist!!
peace out!!

2012-02-08 11:32


Anonymous says:

"the hand of hell on the world :ç bad face of human

2012-02-08 11:11


Anonymous says:

"My Label is affected too. This morning was online an now is out. Now I have to change all promotion. My agregattor returns me the money but who will be pay all promotion actualitzation?
Tell on twitter
#fuckbeatport
Use twitter to let others now
#

2012-02-08 09:01


Anonymous says:

"fuck you beatport viva Juno

2012-02-08 09:01


Anonymous says:

"beatport you're really sucks!

2012-02-08 08:42


Anonymous says:

"BEATPORT = MAFIA

2012-02-08 08:08


Anonymous says:

"I can't believe it!! I have a lot of music edited on tracer and miniatura and they were removed!! I had the release date of a VA for the next week!! a lot of my most popular tracks and too much that was on beatport top aren't on the fuck*ng page!! its a really shit !! they don't want to protect the artists they just want more money , is the fuck*ng censure that we see all days but not with the music!! the labels helps us to pomotionate our music and career but beatport just make it harder, what about free expression?

2012-02-08 07:30


Anonymous says:

"84 labels taken offline since they didn't renew our aggregation contract, 4 years of getting them richer, this hurts.

2012-02-08 04:21


Anonymous says:

"Another label donw here and this label as had a long relationship with Beatport, no reason whatsoever why it happened.
What is going on !

2012-02-08 04:07


Anonymous says:

"My label was also dropped today due to the distributor not having their contract re-newed. I had only launched my label 3 months ago and had tracks hitting the top 20. Just as I thought my label was doing so well this happens, and there was no specific reason they took down the whole distributor, it 'just happened'

2012-02-08 03:58


Anonymous says:

"my label is down right now on beatport because the beatport stoped the aggregator! why they do this? perhaps want to win with his own distributor? (baseware distribution) This is called a monopoly! let us stop buying there! these motherfuckers do not deserve our money and our respect!

2012-02-08 03:28


Anonymous says:

"Why Beatport removed 3 distributors service?As you can see, they`ve fucked us up.No mercy, no empathy, just as a Big Corporate firm will do it. And of course all the labels were fucked up. No more Beatpork for us

2012-02-08 02:41


Anonymous says:

"All the labels giving Exclusive to Beatport are pussies! Beatport Exclusive for 1 month just to charge people more for a track and keep feeding Beatport pockets even more.

2012-02-07 21:30


Anonymous says:

"now beatport have launched a distribution service called baseware in order to keep another 20% of artists sales!!!!!
this is completely obscene!

2012-02-07 14:13


Wesley McCants says:

"We, the Macbrothers, Inc., released two songs at Tunecore, Priscilla & Egypt, over a year ago. We haven't made a red cent on either song since the release date at the beginning of February 2011. In all the distribution outlets Tunecore is affiliated with you would believe confidently that one individual from the whole of the worldwide web would have bought a copy of one of the two inexpensive released songs: at least. Not so. Zilch. This smells of manipulation or favoritism on the part of Tunecore and whoever else is involved. We plan to elicit the succor of the U.S. Justice Department about the moral integrity of this online service for songwriters and musicians. I don't believe Tunecore is as forthright as it boasts itself to be. In contrast, it doesn't appear in the forefront to be shady, but when one plus one doesn't equal two, as the Principia Mathematica teaches us, then one needs to check at the backdoor to find out what's going on.

Wesley McCants
Member of BMI
Disabled Vietnam Veteran

Post Script: How can a company swindle a disabled veteran and sleep at night?

2012-02-07 13:38


Anonymous says:

"We all know about ilegal downloads..but what about illegal uploads to sites like beatport? I've found a ton of tracks selling and charting, that were performed by my artist but have someone elses name on them and a label that has no agreements. Beatport wouldn't comment?!

2012-02-05 15:21


Anonymous says:

"well i'm a artist myself BP is like that huge billboard you pot your music on well it only takes around 100ish copies sold in a specific genre ie Techno so even if you get like 50% of the whole amount it still nothing, it's all about getting your name out there, you're actually selling your name to other DJ's and fans that's the best way to get more bookings and get signed by major labels (real money)

2012-02-05 14:31


LABEL MANAGER says:

"I am in the record business from many years and manage some indie labels selling also through Beatport (among others). This massive dated voided transations in Q4-2011 occurred to my group of labels too. Would like to know if others and also how many have had this.

2012-02-05 04:09


Anonymous says:

"Ok this is the worst

After purchasing tracks a few months ago I ended up losing all of my information on my computer. No fear all of my purchases were on beat port... I wouldn't have to find these files again. BUT I went to re download them and ffs i CANT.
There was this one song i really wanted again so I attempted to repurchase it and it tells me I've already boughtn this track, are you sure you want to buy it again? LOL come on fuck that

2012-02-04 19:19


Anonymous says:

"@Anon Yeah.. that's an accounting nightmare for aggregators and labels.. they should pickup the cost of that..

2012-02-04 06:46


Anonymous says:

"Beatport voiding transactions in a massive scale dated as far back and earlier of 2009 what is going on here !

2012-02-03 04:58


Sundown says:

"http://www.beatport.com/label/sundown-records/22481

2012-02-01 16:26


Anonymous says:

"ni you mao bing SB.

2012-01-31 08:09


Anonymous says:

"Sounds like a bunch of stupid people from the U.S. , uneducated arrogant fucks!!!

2012-01-30 14:03


Anonymous says:

"hey label-managers :
who else is suffering from a massive amount of 'voided transactions' in Q4 2011 statement.
this smells fishy...

2012-01-30 11:45


Anonymous says:

"50,000 .wav files would be around 4TB of space. file storage is dirt cheap these days. beatport does upwards of $10m a year in revenue from sales alone... that is over $27k in sales each day. add to that their other websites sales revenue, paid advertising, events, business partnerships and now that they are also a distributor they're taking almost 60% of each sale. I wouldn't be surprised if in 2012 they begin to implement mandatory distribution through them to sell on their website. that annual beatport sales revenue amount is just the tip of the iceberg. clearly a money driven company intent on cornering and controlling the dance music industry. this is why they have a total disregard for small up and coming brands and artists alike. as a client or customer, just try contacting them and see what happens. I could go on and on about how they are ruining dance music... all things aside, just the way that they treat people is unheard of in any industry and the exact reason I wont give them a single cent of my money.

2012-01-22 04:46


Anonymous says:

"someone below asked and I agree we definitely need a label and distribution blacklist site to warn others about what is really going on with these scammers. from my own experience the worst are, and nothing against italy (im 1/2 italian) but almost every release I have done with a italian label has been a total nightmare to collect royalties from. the ones that do eventually pay, im talking major labels here, require official international double tax forms (which are expensive and take a LONG time to get) or the label will deduct italy tax and charge bank transfer fees. I have never been subjected to either by any other label outside of italy. most labels use paypal and you pay your own taxes every year in your country. unless you live in italy, my advice would be stay far away from italian labels.

2012-01-21 17:34


Anonymous says:

"Well...its not what you take in, but take home. I did not see anywhere on this site where you tell us how much it costs for Beatport to host lets say, 50,000 .wav files on its server. And of those, how much are dead-weight, and how many actually move. I suspect the ones that sell subsidize the storage of those that do not, kinda like 1st class airfare vs economy class. Anyway, Good thing there is Bandcamp and Soundcloud as viable options to change up the game....

2012-01-18 16:28


George W Bush says:

"I smell Kush

2012-01-17 20:13


Bedroomrecords09 says:

"http://www.beatport.com/label/bedroomrecords09/19069

2012-01-17 12:49


FrequentBPuser says:

"Before the days of BeatPort I was just gathering my music collection for free off youtube videos.

Once I got a credit card I decided to start buying the tracks I like and now I'M ADDICTED to buying music, because they are full versions, no interruptions, good quality plus I thought "Supporting the Artists" was the right thing to do for the most part I still agree with doing so.

But here is where Beatport SCAMS US ALL! Brand new releases are priced at $2.49!!! Ok, so MAYBE the Artists strike a deal with BP to have exclusive rights to the song for an extra month to push demand BUT.....

If you shop as often as I do you will notice BP will RE-release popular tracks a few months after they are forgotten under a so-called different label for MORE MONEY! That's right, Pay $1.49 for an old song then next week with will be $1.99 with a different icon. BLASPHEMY!

While I'm at it my only other complaint is 21 seconds of silence at the end of one of my songs but I think that's not BPs fault as much as it's Ben Gold's.

2012-01-15 16:10


Anonymous says:

"In response to:

"selling music is not how artists make their money and never will be. DJ's could easily attempt to sell tracks themselves, there must be some reason why they use these online sites?"

Yeah right. That makes absolutely no sense at all. It is and always has been that if you sell something, you make money, dummy. The problem is that with lesser known artists and labels these "online sites" are taking the majority, if not all of that money. This is what needs to change. For some people royalty payments are the difference between having a roof over their head with food to eat and being homeless. If I have the choice of buying a song from Beatport or the artist website, I will always buy from the artist because I know they will get my money in full, directly and right away.

"DJ's could easily attempt to sell tracks themselves, there must be some reason why they use these online sites?"

Big name DJ's (and labels) use companies like Beatport because they are contractually obligated and paid to do so. Lesser known names want to be like them, simply don't know any better or don't care about giving away their music. These lesser's are playing the lottery. It is ALL about the sales and advertising. It is why you will always see the same names on the front pages are the same names you will see in the top 10 and on the world tours.

Take a look at any poster child artist from the past few years, once they land a top 10 on Beatport suddenly they are signed to a big label, getting front page ads, on world tours and moving to LA. I wonder why that is.

On the other side of this, if you sell music directly to fans, not only do you get all of the money, but you develop a loyal following which will attract promoters wanting to book you. Whatever the genre, good music = good sales = a large fan base which gives you bargaining power in all areas of the industry. If you think for a second that these major artists and labels that have this "large fan base" are paying the same distribution and retail % fees as everyone else you are dead wrong.

2012-01-12 15:58


Bribane in the Membrane says:

"I wouldn't mind seeing you provide more industry information so those who are just starting their business can learn more. Breakdown of each aggregator as you see it, pros/cons of each, some actual (referenced, credible) stats if available, tips for starting to do business with an aggregator like BP/Juno etc (because let's face it they are a necessary evil).

2012-01-09 10:40


Roger Punario says:

"ROFLPANTOFL..

2012-01-05 10:34


Stefano/6884 says:

"Guys I'm not a great fan of digital distribution either and I love the ol'times of vinyl and so on. But it seems quite normal to me that the shop and the label take a cut of the cake - just as they did with records, and I'm not sure that the percentages have changed so much.

To me, the main problems with all this are quite different: one of the main points is the overflow of mediocre productions, which neither the labels nor the shops are interested in cutting down - to them, having 10000 releases selling 1 copy each or a single release selling 10000 makes no difference now.. try saying the same of "physical" records.

There's much more, actually, but now i should really tidy this place up. Enjoy your holidays, everyone!

2011-12-26 01:34


Anonymous says:

"HAhaha This is fucking stupid! Lmao somebody is lame enough to make this site !

2011-12-23 15:40


Anonymous says:

"craaaack

2011-12-23 15:37


Admin says:

"anyone else think we need to switch colors to white background?

2011-12-23 08:22


Anonymous says:

"http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/editors-picks-of-2011-100-61/

fuck off

2011-12-22 08:18


Anonymous says:

"Posted: 22 Dec 2011 03:28 AM PST


"The day of reckoning is at hand! Ok, maybe that's a little over-dramatic. But we've got reason to be excited: after individually ranking their personal favorites of the year, Beatport's genre editors have discussed, debated, argued (and in one case) arm-wrestled their way to a definitive list of the music that moved them most in 2011. For the next few days, we'll be counting down the top 100 tracks. So dive into the deep end with us today, as we run through positions 100 through 61."

here is THE reason.

2011-12-22 08:06


Anonymous says:

"I like it how you just cross out your complaint about lack of html 5 site. If there is now an html 5 site then the problem is solved, strange you still leave your complaint like that. Also selling music is not how artists make their money and never will be. DJ's could easily attempt to sell tracks themselves, there must be some reason why they use these online sites?

2011-12-20 17:45


Anonymous says:

"This is like the clown of all clowns landing points... but still, valid opinions (if you can decipher retarded language) I love it. Fortunately, I can translate a few things, only because I have some experience and the same gut feeling inside of me. The main issue is that the people who produce and own copyright and/or publishing to songs aren't being paid properly, or at all by the labels, distro's or stores. There is the problem.

What is the solution?

Beatport has/is building a consumer subscription based "distribution" company which will eventually force all distribution, labels, artists, other stores and companies that they are either in contract or affiliated with (ala itunes, Stompy, Native Instruments etc.)to go through them for a price. Not happy with the previous 49% of everything.. they are going for more.

This is NOT the solution.

Try sending Beatport an email about distribution or "getting in touch" about some "advertising" opportunities. "Are you good enough"? LOL.... who is the judge of that? Just watch a Beatport video clip and watch the nob heads running those offices... it is ALMOST as good as Bevis and Butthead. Comical at the least.

Get your own domain.

Get your own store.

Make music and sell it yourself.

FUCK THEM!!!

IF YOU ARE MAKING GREAT MUSIC, PEOPLE WILL HEAR ABOUT IT, FIND IT AND BUY IT.

That is the solution. Take the music back and control what happens with it....

2011-12-19 06:48


Anonymous says:

"@Anonynous.. no they dont convert mp3 to wav. Beatport requires that the label sends in a 16bit 44100 WAV .. they convert to MP3 from that.

2011-12-12 06:20


Anonymous says:

"is it true that beatport converts mp3 into wav?

can somebody check this please?

2011-12-11 10:35


Anonymous says:

"Hi Anonymous commentor. The reason for the survey is the see what changes people would like to see in the industry. There is no point in giving out about a situation if your not willing to contribute your ideas to try to resolve it. Regardless, this is your opinion and I can understand it. The idea is simply to understand what changes need to be made and anyone who would lie to support us doing our best to make these changes is welcome. Thank you for your feedback

2011-12-08 06:37


Anonymous says:

"INVERT this fukking website B&W style ( background white + text black please ) my eyes are suffering.

to back on topic: beatport suck as much as others do.

to: Fizterofosy-Tech Productions Ltd

make your survey by yourself, this shit marketing attitude is the fukking reason world is falling down.

I think solution it is quite easy: be onest, pay artists and shutup!

2011-12-06 14:04


Fizterofosy-Tech Productions Ltd says:

"Hi guys, my name is Kieran Bolger. I am MD at Fizterofosy-Tech Productions Ltd. I agree with a lot of what is being outlined here although I do appreciate also that the current setup of the said companies has been designed in such a way that it wouldn't be possible for them to simply make the ideal changes to suit artists, without the company falling apart or having to undertake a huge overhaul.. However, I do feel there is a need for change. I am currently looking for people to help build a concept that works for ARTISTS of the Electronic Music Industry. Right now we are asking you for your opinion on what type of site you would like! If you'd like to see change happen and think you have some valuable input to apply please feel free to join in! You might even win the Sennheiser headphones that are up for grabs! :) The following link will bring you directly to a facebook events page giving further details - https://www.facebook.com/events/287929671245784/ - We'd love you to help out and if you don't feel like it, then no problem, hopefully we'l see you with us soon! Thank you

2011-12-05 03:48


Anonymous says:

"I Like Beatport....You Can Listen & Then Hold Hundreds Of Tracks Then Go Download Them Illegally From Bit Torrents.....F*ck Everyone....Definitely Never Use Juno.Most Of Their Mp3's Are Shit Vinyl Rips & So Are They're wav Files....Pirates Are Best!

2011-12-01 12:56


Anonymous says:

"alf - I listened to your song.. where can I buy it exactly? the website isnt eye friendly or consumer friendly.. that is your problem - the site has no buy button or whatever you want it to say... music isnt good (production wise) enough to be played on the big stage either. just being honest. good luck

2011-11-30 07:51


Anonomousse says:

"How many of you, despite the issues, still sell on beatport? *raises hand

2011-11-30 01:28


True Anomaly says:

"So then what you think about this method?? instead of all going to beatport, why dont do all go to our own store?

http://vibedeck.com/trueanomaly/true-anomaly-fuel

alf (im a human)

2011-11-28 11:39


Anonymous says:

"its a perfect example of total ignorance. if the label is responsible for promoting artists alone, then what is distribution for - to send to the stores right? something the label can do themselves if it werent for the store rules requiring a distributor!!! there goes 20% of my profits.. for nothing more than more red tape.. the time it takes to deal with the distribution I could deal with the stores myself and save money. and the store sells it right? they take 40-60% of the sale price. but if the store isnt advertising it or even putting it on its front shelves, how will people know its even available then? its like mc donalds selling a trillion cheese mac burgers but they have another one that isnt advertised - you can tell them how to make your own burger with whatever you want on it etc!!! its true. try it. most people dont know or are too stupid to try, but its real and has been since the 80's or earlier. the same exact principle applies to these shit web stores. do your work I agree, but that includes everyone. those who dont do it, fuck off!!!

2011-11-25 03:59


Anonymous says:

"To the guy a couple of posts below, when it does not sell just sometimes, it might be alright, but when it doesn't sell most of the times, then there is a problem, and the problem is the label. Remember you are the one to promote your artists. Quit what you do if your label doesn't sell.

2011-11-22 23:50


A mad nerd says:

"I really hate beatport. They pirate all their music and sell it to people. WHAT THE FUCK??@5/

2011-11-21 13:09


Deadmau5 says:

"This site was a waste of time.

2011-11-21 10:06


Anonymous says:

"I came across to the conclusion that what happens in most cases is that sales are very low, and in most cases do not even exist.
Besides labels struggle with having voided tracks, which is hard, a shop may provide a report with 20 units sold and on the next report 16 of those tracks are reported as voided.
It is not easy to sell between thousands of released tracks, and one always tends to think he has the best track, it's human

2011-11-18 14:04


Admin says:

"The message on this site encompasses a lot of what I believe in... fightforthefuture.org

2011-11-18 11:43


Anonymous says:

"@Anonymous

..please make that “label blacklist blog” and I will be one of the first to post labels that do not pay or mess with artists. The internet needs it. We got to show these guys who rules.

2011-11-18 09:12


oz says:

"Is JUNO selling unmastered mp3's instead of wavs. I myself personally prefer to buy wavs, but when i listen to the sound quality of the wavs that i have bought from JUNO, the sound quality does not sound good, it actually sounds like mp3 sound quality. You can tell by how thin the top end sounds? Why would they do this, anyone else noticed this?

2011-11-16 14:36


acajoom says:

"Hello everyone, I am very happy to have found this page here by accident while searching for something else (kinda similar), and the truth is, I was always wondering, if there was 1 site out there that would have such an issue (or similar) exposed.

I am raised in a way that I deeply respect people, especially hard workers. Even more, concerning music, musicians and composers, which most people (many many people) nowadays confuse these HUGE titles, with words like “dj” or “producer”. To most, if you are a music composer, it means you are a “dj”. If you are a music producer, same think, you are a “dj”.. etc etc. Just in case any of those guys out there is reading this, reminding, that a dj is a human being that puts recorded songs, from other artists (usually/mostly) one after the other. Not a musician, not a composer, not a producer. I respect djs myself, for what they do (I do it too, I love my mk2s).

Every time I get asked or being interviewed, and being called and “artist” or “composer” or “musician” (which as I said I consider these HUGE titles), I feel 2 things simultaneously. No1, a great need to mention and explain that this is something HUGE to admit for myself, and No2, …. how the f*** did it happen for me to end up here being called an artist.

Nowadays though, “simple” djs are the ones that sell on beatport and such stores. The music nowadays is so crap because it is “copied/cut/pasted/looped” into some very easy to use software, from such people without “inspiration” at all, without any idea about how to tune a guitar even. Themselves feel so successful doing this. Actually, this is the way they think music is being “composed”.

Another issue nowadays with most djs (bad ones, ..and they pass the disease to others too), is the fact that they no longer follow artists, but labels. They are not checking the artists' releases, but the label's releases. They say “I play 'that' label”. Things have switched ? ..as if the label is the artist, and the real artist is some kind of tool ? I think no. This has been happening ages now, and the followers of such companies were always irrelevant/ignorant people, without special needs for quality music (what is quality music is hard to explain, not everyone understands quality music). Same people that go to the supermarket and grab whatever looks more shiny, or have been brainwashed from tv-ads. Those are mainly the people that feed beatport, juno and such. They follow the wave in a way. 45.000+ ..electronic music releases a day ? Wow, sounds like a lot of crap is being released.

I am exploring music, and my mind through music, for more than 20 years now, mostly electronic, gone through ambient, making a lot of deep-house with analogue hardware etc.. have released things and worked with those so called.. labels, have been to film-festivals for original-soundtracks, done documentary music, even awards, tv cameras, and all that shet. Many of you will agree with me, those guys have nothing to do with art. They look at the artists with a smile, but what they see is a dollar sign with legs walking towards them. They will not pay you if possible. Most of the times they don't. I've seen my releases stay on beatport's top-100 at positions like #64 for weeks, and got payed 125euro. The label would always respond like “don't pay attention to the chart positions”.

It is no wrong that those that run labels are people that tried to “play” the artists in their past and never made it, or they understood on the way that they are not for it, they want MONEY, not making music.

I always thought that making music for yourself is selfish and a result of a complex self. I always felt that I wanted to make music so people can hear, feel, communicate, etc etc. If there was none around me, I would most possibly never try to write music. It is all about the communication. And this must not stop. I am sure that there are too many out there that are looking and searching for quality, and hate this “misery” that the music is going through. Even if I try hard, I cannot stop creating and supporting quality, because I also know from own experience how hard it is to make it (something that most don't understand or even believe).

I have decided not to release on any label again, actually waiting for a 3 year contract to end with one of them, and have asked from others to take my releases off beatport and the rest (took them a while to do so). I would not like to be part of this misery and those “companies” that “work” with oblivious. I have decided to sell my music on my own website directly, or run a secondary kinda “alias” website for that. I hate to even consider it as a label. But just because I am so irrelevant with legal shet, I am still a little stuck at that point (because developing an online-store is a piece of cake for me). If someone knows the MUST procedures a release must go through to be considered “official”, I would be very happy to hear (any kind of help appreciated).

Once again: “the communication must not stop”. If musicians die, then not only the labels will die too, but even the new trend of those called “dj/producers” that sample music and rearrange it, will not have any more new source to copy from.

Forgive my bad English, it is not my native language. And sorry for writing only that much, I should write a lot more.

Always smile

2011-11-15 05:04


Anonymous says:

"To all label owners/producers distributing through Beatport:

How many sales does BP generate? Is it really that much?

I've read somewhere that many guys are happy if the reach 50 - 100 dollars there...

2011-11-14 04:58


Memory chip says:

"This site is a great initiative, there are things about this industry that need to be said, so well done.

However i feel this site might as well be named electronic dance music industry sucks – and here is why.

I have been releasing my music since 2003, up until 2009 i only worked with vinyl labels, some of these label managers i even considered as friends. Needless to say back then things were exactly as they are now regarding the artist being treated like shit by the label and the distros.
After releasing a dozen or so vinyls i have yet to be paid 1 € for even one release. I came into this industry with the illusion that electronic dance music (I'm talking techno/house here) was an underground art form based on some kind of grassroots values – as in base your relationship with like minded people on trust and do not work the corporate way with lawyers, contracts etc. But after being screwed over big time I now believe that there is no underground, no grassroots philosophy in this music scene what so ever. Electronic dance music is big business the same way as pop music is, there is no difference at all – well other then the fact that labels in this scene are even worse then the big record labels as Virgin etc. as they openly try to deceive and manipulate artists into not using contracts, lying about the labels bad economy, said artists release not selling and a load more bla bla bla. Basically this industry is based on vicious exploitation of artists the same way the "commercial" music industry is. There is no "little guy"!

I don't feel the least surprised by the fact that the digital shops as Beatport are continuing the same exploitation – after all they are only continuing the very same tradition that the labels started. Now that vinyl is more or less considered dead and now that a lot of artists want to be in control by starting there own labels, it's only natural that the digital shops step in and exploit the music makers as much as possible.

I quit working with all labels since two years ago, i don't get any more gigs, remix requests or release invites, but at least nobody is milking my creativity any more. I now run my own digital label working strictly with close friends i can trust. I wouldn't even deal with Beatport if they payed me to sell our stuff through them, Beatport is not a dance music specialist it's a dj-fodder specialist, all about the €€€...

I would recommend people who release on labels to hire lawyers and sign contracts, because the music industry sucks big time.

2011-11-01 12:54


Label Owner says:

"To Anonymous:

It's not an "attitude" I have. It was just another complaint about how difficult the current state of things are. Especially when all the shops have different reporting formats and not to mention take the majority of the royalties.

I'm just trying to inform you guys that it's not as easy as you may think to run a label properly and that the reason some labels may take a long time is because they are overbooked and understaffed.. Now, if a label is never paying their artists, that's very bad thing; and I am not trying to defend any label that does that.. but there are also legitimate reasons why a label can take a long time to catch up. Also many new artists will not make enough to even cover their mastering costs.. so you see, if you are working with hundreds of artists it is very difficult to communicate with every single one of them that the royalty minimum was not met and also report reasons for low sales numbers.

This is why I said it makes us not want to sign new artists as much (mainly because we can't handle communicating with so many different artists on a regular basis).

The amount of administrative work is enough to require a label to hire someone to do it full time and you have to realize most electronic music labels do not even have a budget to hire even one person to help out.

We give 70% royalties to all of our artists for digital sales.. and we heavily promote every piece of music.. most of our releases have thousands of plays on soundcloud and we do everything we can to get some exposure to the artists, but not every artist does well.. and it's not always clear cut why some releases do well while other ones flop.

So please realize I'm in the same boat here... Aggregators get near 20% plus all the shop fees. This leaves us (and the artist) barely any money to go around in the end. So.. that said, most of us are investing our own time and money into this venture because we have a passion for it, not because we are out to make a salary. This is why so many of use "label owners" have jobs that give us a normal salary..

I mean, it would be a far more profitable for me to use my time towards my real profession rather than trying to run a label.. but I invest money from my real job into the label.. and tons of time into it. I am trying to help the cause. Hope you can see that now!

2011-10-31 14:49


Anonymous says:

"Beatport randomly does not account for sales from their new site..If you have a label try it and you will see. Buy a track from the new website,the purchase will not show up in Baseware.

2011-10-30 21:11


Anonymous says:

"just 3 more reasons to stop selling music through these rip off stores...

"The following store / DSP's are on hold due to non payment of outstanding royalties :
Dance Music Hub, DJ Tunes, Soundium.net"

2011-10-27 05:28


Anonymous says:

"Good job bro!
All listeners should be aware of this thing. The must no longer pay to these freeloaders.
Then all labels have to sell and promote music themselves and take their 50%. It's alright.
And finally all musicians will take much more cash for their work. Simple thing, isn't it?

2011-10-22 08:30


Anonymous says:

"www.flyzik.com is a lame attempt at being a "DJ" site. "ibiza 2011" in the right corner of your background.. woooo. Good luck and all, but no thanks. oh wait a sec, here is my credit card info

2011-10-20 09:23


G-FLY says:

"Hi, Thanks for this site full of very precious information! I like to let you know that we have just launch a new download music store, a beta version for now, on www.flyzik.com , and i can say that we are cheaper than other shops, that we retribute more to the labels, as we are all producers and DJ's ourself. We will be happy to know what do you think about our work, don't hesitate to get in touch.
Peace
G-Fly

2011-10-20 04:34


Anonymous says:

"I think the reason everyone is "moaning" here is because most labels, distributors and stores do next to nothing to earn their high percentages, 99.99% of the work load is automated, little or no promotion of releases and as a previous post stated, artist are treated like an after thought, last one on the money chain.

There are a few good solutions mentioned here... I think the best solution is DIY

1st - sell your music on your own website. Your overhead cost are very low, you control every aspect of the release, no waiting period and don't have to answer to anyone or prove your worthiness (like with Beatport) you and the artist make more money and faster, which makes everyone more happy. The downside is that you must do all your own promoting... but then again you have to do that anyway with Beatport and all of the other stores anyway.

2nd - outside of your own website, the best platform I can find is Bandcamp. It isn't perfect but you have more control and less ads. Break down the % cut with them and Paypal, it ends up being around 32.5% you lose on the sale price. Which is FAR better than what you lose with a distribution deal and store (like 70%).

BTW in case all of you haven't already heard, Beatport has launched a distribution company now. I guess 46% of the sale price wasn't enough so they're going for the 70% (or more) cut off the top now. Of course, they still have their elitist attitude of "send us your information and we'll contact you if we think you are good enough". Its all very secretive, as if they want us to think it would be a great honor and privilege to be locked into this new money scam. No information about services or pricing on the website, just a one page hype about how great they are. From the logos shown it looks like they only distribute to itunes and Stompy outside of Beatport so my guess would be that they are trying to lock labels into exclusive releases cutting out all other stores they aren't affiliated with. Why anyone would want to do this is beyond me. Will be interesting to see how this one turns out.

2011-10-19 17:23


Ephedrina Netlabel says:

"So, what is the best option? what all of you would say is the best way to go?
Someone mentioned TuneCore but even there the shops they distribute to are always the same (iTunes, Amazon etc) and they retain 30/40% anyway.

I guess at this point I should arrange my own shop on my website? Would you all agree with that? is that the bast way to maintain all the sales profit into the label's pocket and guarantee your artists a more satisfying turn over?

Here below there are a lot of comment that show bitchiness and disappointment but nobody's seems to be really proactive to work for the community! Solutions and ideas is what we need...no moaners!!!

As anybody heard of Vibedeck.com? (http://vibedeck.com/ephedrinanetlabel)
What's the community's thoughts about it?Is this a good service? Does anyone know a similar website or service with more profitable solutions?
Come on peeps...let's work together in the same direction...individuality is what making big companies, like the ones mentioned in the article, take advantage of the market!!!

2011-10-19 02:34


Anonymous says:

"BRING BACK THE AFFILIATE PROGRAM!! MEOW!!

2011-10-18 20:17


Kendal says:

"Im so sick of Juno and their high fees, plus taking mechanicals for artists not even registered with royalty collecting agencies! My label on Juno made £300 and Juno has taken £120 of it. Plus taking mechanicals for non registered artists (money in the MCPS banks!) What exactly are Juno charging such high fees for? For providing abit of bandwidth??? Ive now built my own shop for my label on my website, perfect!

2011-10-18 16:59


Anonymous says:

"mim.cc,

Using Google to find the artist/track is a good start. Maybe next time (if it is available) try following the link to their website and buy directly from them. This truly supports the artist.

2011-10-17 17:51


mim.cc says:

"Oh, I almost forgot: The SEARCH feature is COMPLETELY USELESS. I'd rather type the artist/track name into Google and then follow the Beatport link than scrolling through the totally meaningless and chaotic search results pages on Beatport itself!

2011-10-17 14:00


mim.cc says:

"My main complaint about Beatport is its total technical crappiness.

After having been a crappy Flash-only site for God knows how many years, it's now an equally crappy HTML site where nothing works.

I've tried to purchase stuff countless times on Beatport, but got stuck on non-scrollable, cut-off popups, non-working input fields, and various other problems.

Too bad there's artists who exclusively sell on Beatport.

2011-10-17 13:51


Anonymous says:

"To "label owner",

Unbelievable this attitude you and many other people like you in this industry have. No matter how tedious it may be, it is YOUR JOB as the label to handle these things so artists can focus on making music, its why you get 50% of the money that comes from the distribution company. You need to remember that without the artist you would have nothing. Whether it be £1. or £10,000., you made money so why shouldn't the artist also get their cut? Do your job, account for sales and pay artists their royalties each and every payment period!!

Your attitude is just like stores and distribution companies who seem to think that you are entitled to be paid the bulk of money from sales for little or no work at all on your part. You are taking the majority of money from someone elses creative hard work, while the person who made the music in the first place is just an after thought, last one on the money chain. You are working FOR the artist not the other way around!

The store gets paid immediately after a sale, the distribution company every month, the label every quarter, but the artist should wait at least 9 months to be paid, and only if you decide to get off your lazy arse and actually do the accounting? This is a ridiculous way of doing business, you are ruining the industry and putting artist out of business by forcing them to find other means of income. In effect you are also putting yourself out of business by not accounting for and paying artists properly. If the artist cannot make money to survive, eventually they cannot continue to make music and in turn you have nothing to release, distribute or sell. It is just wrong to treat artists with such disrespect, not to mention illegal. Without the product all of the above would be out of business.

Personally, I think it would be great if these companies go bankrupt, it is the solution to the problems we face today. Artists need to take control by releasing music on their own terms and eliminate these greedy companies. In respect to sales money, if you really think about it, an artist who sells 1000 units on Beatport would only need to sell 100 units on their own website to earn the same amount of money AND actually be paid immediately after each sale!! In addition to the money aspect, you also create more of a fan base by forcing customers to go to your website and search out new releases, read news, tour dates, join a mailing list and so on. Its a far better scenario than going through the "proper" channels, licensing, giving away copyright, publishing and 80% of your sales money just to get on Beatport and hoping that someone discovers your music via a little 1"x1" album art cover that is buried in page after page of releases. Pointless really. If your music is "good", trust me word will spread and good things will follow. If your music is bad or doesn't sell, then try a different strategy to get noticed, work harder on your productions or try another career so that those of us who are dedicated to the cause aren't being lost in this sea of copycat over used sample rubbish coming out these days.

2011-10-16 18:49


Anonymous says:

"actually there is an austraila company that will get your track downloaded for money called chartfixer(there's probably plenty more) so maybe it's not beatport . either way how to explain something like porter robinson . he can make tight tracks because he has the knowledge all right . but he's only 19, he admits not ever being in touch or a part of any dance music scene and i don't recall every seeing any kind of promotion accept "here he is, number one on beatport" out of nowhere . srry for the shit grammer earlier btw .

2011-10-15 10:27


Anonymous says:

"not to mention that i hear the site is ripe with payola . i mean how else can you explain new unheard of artists all of sudden charting at number one . it's just a rumor but if could totally see a rich kid ask mom and dad to buy ableton and a macbook, quit playing video games for 1-2 years and learn to make good enough quality electro-house-brostep whatever(don't forget to add a bunch of samples that you got off some blog with that lets you dl all the old scratch records ) and then ask mommy and daddy to buy em a number one download . I mean you have 19 year old kids all of sudden come out with number one downloads that you've never heard and no one in their respective local scene has ever heard of . it's a sad comment on the state of the edm scene more than anything .

2011-10-15 10:23


Anonymous says:

"some examples of independent label sellin music , www.dlmgent.blogspot.com

2011-10-14 21:07


Anonymous says:

"is STUPID ! a distributor in internet ? BUY IN ARTIST SITES !!! beatport suck <---- #real

2011-10-14 21:06


Denver LOCAL says:

"Hi guys! I am FROM DENVER where beatport is located at and I know people even in Beatport and still cant get shit through them! they ar down right assholes no doubt! They favor the big artist who make tens of thousands from them and they are happy to pay these lable/artist whenever they want! Its sad that a home grown company and BRAD ROULIER co owner of the site that i have talked to numerous times before still cant hold it down for the local artist!

sad sad sad

thanks for the local love brad!

2011-10-13 01:17


Label Owner says:

"To everyone complaining about not getting paid from labels.. I'll admit -- as a label it can be tough to keep up with royalty reports and sales .. especially if you have a boat load of artists to report to. It's tough to find time to go through all the different shop reports and compile one big report for everyone.. Accounting is a headache and almost makes us not want to sign any new artists... but that's the way it is.. Anyway -- I've been working hard to get reports out every 2 quarters (at least).. as well as payments. I'll be automating all this soon so artists can see their salesstats in real time.

2011-10-11 10:33


boycott beatport says:

"Everyone should boycott Beatport until they accept self-publishers using CD-Baby, Tunecore, etc. Want to support artists? Buy directly off their web pages.

2011-10-09 16:22


icweiner says:

"Fuck salt

2011-10-08 23:20


Deejay since 1990 says:

"Why do we fucking give money to distributors?
Wake up people, we are the musicians, we make the music and we set the rules.
It's not the money or marketing bullshit that runs the business, it's the music.
Distributors should beg us to make money with our music, not the opposit.
Anyone who is drolling to see his shit releasd on Beatport is not a deejay, but an asshole and we whould insult those guys, we don't need them around.
We need people proud to make music, and people the put the art in the first place.
Next time you meet someone willing to do anything for Beatpor, just tell him to go and fuck off, you better find another job.

2011-10-08 05:12


Anonymous says:

"beatport is a joke, yeah we all know it. trackitdown is horrible, yeah we know. distribution companies are pointless in a digital world, they do next to nothing for their 20-40%, yeah we know it. but labels? why would they want to screw over producers? seems like they would be fighting for the little guy!? think again. getting paid is like pulling fucking teeth. labels are ever so friendly when it comes to signing a song, youre on their speed dial and vip list.. that is until it comes time to hand over the royalty cash and they suddenly disappear or act stupid about a song that was released last year. well fuck that. I will be making a label blacklist blog shortly so that all producers can see who is fucking around and who isnt.

2011-10-05 20:22


Anonymous says:

"fuck labels, fuck middle, fuck store.

2011-10-05 09:43


Anonymous says:

"Once again another royalty pay period has gone by and not even one out of the six labels I am on has sent me a statement. I know I have sales with each and every one of them because first of all I always buy one copy for myself, almost all of the songs I released in the past year have charted on every major store and additionally some have been licensed to other labels and charted again. These labels are very well known and ones that you would think you could trust but I have yet to receive a single cent for sales. I am sure that I am not the only one going through this. My advice to everyone is DONT TRUST ANYONE in this industry. If you ever want to be paid sell your music yourself on your own website.

2011-10-04 16:34


Anonymous says:

"There are 125-127BPM prog-tracks only.
I love hard house, acid techno, chicago house and rave music.
I also love progressive house, but I realy hate beatport things.
I hope many labels to sell their music on Juno Download.

2011-10-04 09:55


Anonymous says:

"the only way a producer/dj can get a show is by way of local bar friends or sales. a lot of sales= a lot of shows. if there are no sales, no production co or promoter will ever put the artist on. by downloading free shit you are pushing that producer down the list and you will never see them live in your city.

2011-10-01 03:36


draz says:

"NEVER, EVER, EVER sell your music with tesco.com / Medianet. I have an EP that is reasonably priced on itunes and amazon at 4.99. Tesco decided to get greedy and charge 8.00+ AND stuck it in the wrong genre AND flagged it up as explicit material even though it's instrumental. I mean, WTF?

2011-09-30 05:44


Kieran says:

"Hi, Im very interested in this and could do with the stats for something :) is 80 - 90% an accurate forecast of the market share or is this speculation? Companies liek, Trackitdown.net, these hardly only have 20% do they? Hope to get a reply, thanks :)

2011-09-26 09:31


Anonymous says:

"There is no money in selling dance music anymore....deal with it and move on. Fans just zippyshare/hulkshare/filezee it and go and watch the acts u zippyshare to support them.
Artists...build your own fanbase URSELF to earn a living from live shows. Beatport is only relevant if you are a sheep.

2011-09-26 04:29


Anonymous says:

"has anyone else noticed that the song keys are frequently incorrect?

2011-09-22 16:34


Anonymous says:

"trackitdown, dj mag, facebook and their little top 100 voting poll (which excludes a billion+ people around the world) can all fuck right off. TID is nothing more than a tabloid email spam bullshit bandwagon hype machine run by wanna-be producer dj's. there, I said it.

2011-09-20 17:11


Anonymous says:

"Here is a (not so) funny little example of how distribution companies are ripping off labels and artists:

http://www.miniaturamusic.net/how.html

"Beatport sells 1000 u$d + 1000 u$d
Beatport takes 40% and 6% fee - 460 u$d
=540.00 u$d = 540 u$d
Miniatura Music charge 20% - 20%
You’ll get 432.00 u$d - 432.00 u$d
For the other stores is similar, but with 40% of miniatura music fee."

* Note that the "432.00 u$d" goes to the label first, which will take 50% + any expenses, leaving the artist with $216.00 usd or less.

Now factor in the additional 20% (40% total) they charge for all other retail store sales, the label will get $324.00 and the artist will end up with $162.00!!!!!!!!!! $162.00 from every $1000.00 in sales!!!!!! AND the artist must wait from 6 months to a year or possibly even 15 months to start getting paid!!! And THEN in most cases the artist must chase up the labels every following pay period to get any royalties at all. Given that Beatport (and all other stores) and the distributors are doing next to nothing in terms of promoting the artist, label and releases, its f*cking pathetic!!!!

Until things drastically change, do the industry a favor, buy songs directly from the artist (or at least the label if the artist doesn't sell online)... lets cut out all these useless scamming bastards and give money where money is rightfully due.

2011-09-17 22:18


Anonymous says:

"Why a lot of artists recise to sell directly putting the beatport link only?maybe for remaining in the standard of the marketing.Where to' sell and buy?maybe music is not a real product for musicians.only performance ?

2011-09-17 05:21


Anonymous says:

"beatport is terrible,they dont give a shit about smaller labels and artists.youll never get a feature on the site, ever unless your a big label/artist. smaller artists/labels releasing on beatport is like a needle in a haystack,people accidentally have to find your music. Beatport should be boycotted by all djs buying music, i mean why go to a website thats the most expensive? you just dont do it, get an account with trackitdown or juno,it takes two minutes to sign up. Someone should set up a facebook petition and post it on here to boycott beatport,if every one here invited all friends to like the page and posted it on walls groups, then i think we could do a lot of damage to beatport!

Beatport gives small labels 3 months to make $500 . if the 2nd 3 months you dont make $500 then your label gets deleted, how bad does that look on other artists youve signed. No buisiness booms in 3-6 months does it?? they give no time for anyone, they are just greedy bastards and i hope the fuckers go bankrupt

2011-09-13 19:03


Anonymous says:

"There is no need to give money to the music industry, if you like a song buy it from the artist directly on his website...isn't that better?

2011-09-12 10:51


Anonymous says:

"Beatpoty, just another mafia hand over music that will make dance music shittier than ever.
Fuck all those portals controlled by media, publicity and marketing shit.

Stop considering beatport, go to something better like cdbaby

2011-09-12 10:50


Anonymous says:

"i´ll never buy from beatport again.
i spend in my life around 40000 euro on vinyls , cd´s and digital downloads. but from know on i ´am stealing music from the net.
if the music industry fuck the artists off, i fuck the music industry and i will support my fav artists in attending on partys they play.

2011-09-12 09:06


Anonymous says:

"really nothing loads when you click it on the new beatport

2011-09-12 05:12


Anonymous says:

"why does beatport suck? one reason would be that I had a single + remixes ep come out and they posted it as an "album only" purchase, so no one could buy the individual songs. on top of that they put some of the songs in the wrong genre. how is this possible? I had to catch the mistake, contact the label who notified the distributor and then beatport to finally fix it several days after its release date. can they not read? copy/paste song text information? do they not double check what the post online? here we have incompetence at its finest folks. did they offer any apology or compensation for their mistake? absolutely not. thank god juno, itunes and everyone else got it correct. whats worse is that the label informed me these type of mistakes are not uncommon, that they frequently have spelling and genre mistakes with beatport releases. this shows me that the people working at beatport dont give a shit (and/or are very stupid) about lesser known indie artist and labels. I will never do an exclusive release with them again period.

2011-09-09 17:47


Tike M. says:

"my concern is if there is a way to track sellings on beatport and on all other shops, I think they are messing up with numbers quite a lot. so if this is true talking about 50% split is almost nonsense.

2011-09-09 08:02


geebee says:

"Does someone know how many Labels join the Beatport?
How many Tracks ist Beatport selling in a day?
50% split to the label are disgustingly high costs.

2011-09-08 03:54


Anonymous says:

"beatport was down on sept.5th and all releases for that date were dumped into the cue once they came back online. and even still the website is running like a bug master with navigation and the player. nice job you are doing with other peoples trust, hard work and money spent.

2011-09-07 06:29


Anonymous says:

"peoplesound.com is a iphone app right? please.

2011-09-07 06:21


Anonymous says:

"The whole thing needs to be looked at. It's the 21st century and we do not live in a world where music is controlled by the fat biz execs anymore. Time for change, anybody for peoplesound.com?

2011-08-28 08:52


Anonymous says:

"chiming in on the artists things, first week october and april is a busy one for me, I have 63 releases on bp and 41 on tid right now since 2006 and only 2 or 3 out of 13 labels send me a regular report every pay period. I gotta call them to get payed! I dont know who is doing what but this system is whack. even I buy one song of my oldest track now today, I might not get payed my money for it later.

2011-08-27 09:52


Anonymous says:

"tike M

these stores are ripping us off, as a buyer or label or artist, I am being fucked over. the numbers I get from my distributor (ioda) and other labels I release songs on is shit. always a invoice just saying a one money amount, no spreadsheet of who sold what when where and that. but of course if I release one song and made 750 dollars this quarter it means the label made at least 750 and then the distributor made 400 (they control the receipts received from the store) and beatport or trackitdown made 2000. beatport or tid can of course fuck with numbers if they want to so I guess the industry just needs to trust them or take things into diy. you are not alone

2011-08-27 09:24


Anonymous says:

"To "Trackitdown.net says:" do you make it well known, advertise on site to customers, labels, artist, these methods that your company chooses to use for processing of payments? If a person pays by credit card, debit, mobile, PayPal, its none of your concern as far as how they choose to pay for items and I am sure they either know or dont care what fees are due per transaction on their end of the deal. But certainly they are uninformed that this money is not going to the producer or label, its very wrong to be inflating prices and laying your own overhead upon labels and artist. Its TID's choice and therefore TID's responsibility to pay those due fees and taxes - I am seeing a 50/50 royalty split mentioned and advertised, yet with all of your fees and cost you are taking close to 65% of the sale price away from the label and artist? A website with "hundreds of terabytes of data" isnt expensive or complicated. Yeah, for a nice operation, maybe a few grand, fifty, 100K, this that with staff. Is that expensive considering? It is your overhead NOT ours. Anyway every label should be pulling a few grand per month from sales right? Multiplied by 1000+ labels. You are a business and you should make money, but your numbers are way off, completely unfair and worthy of this grief whats going on mate.

2011-08-27 09:05


Anonymous says:

"Nobody answer to Tike M. question? (second one below )

( this is a clear invitation to TID )

a reply is really welcome

Tike M.

2011-08-20 12:16


Anonymous says:

"i think pretty lights has a good idea. he offers full album downloads of his stuff and asks for donations in return. its true that some people just download it and don't donate at all, but 100% of the proceeds go directly to him/his label. gotta respect the guy for taking the gamble to offer his stuff for free and obviously its working because he's still doing it, not to mention he's been playing sold out show after sold out show after sold out show all year long

2011-08-17 20:10


Tike M. says:

"completely agree with previous poster... and more about prices: "who" can guarantee that a shop tell the true about sellings numbers...I mean it's all about digital stuff inside a server...is it that difficult for a shop to drop down selling alike? if I am wrong please tell me why(TID)...anyway I appreciate TID posting here, could be nice to see other shops too, for me it means one reason to choose a shop against another.
waiting for your news...

2011-08-16 01:59


Anonymous says:

"why the hell should a shop get more than the creator of the product they sell does ? Without the product , there would be no online stores. This is ridiculous !!

2011-08-15 16:33


Anonymous says:

"hahaha

2011-08-13 11:57


Anonymous says:

"TID Pro, the (2nd) best UK retail store. there is no need for clarification in terms of UK this or UK that, we all know you ruled the 3rd world 100's of years ago and now rule nothing at all. but riots among your own people? seems like anything is possible in this british (TID) world, hmm. Take heed.

2011-08-13 06:56


Trackitdown.net says:

"Hi Anonymous,

Allow me to clarify some points for you.

VAT in the UK is 20% at the moment
MCPS is 8%

Payment processing charges depend on how the payment is processed and also the size of the payment. We process many types of cards as well as Paypal transactions and the net result is 5%. Any retailer will know processing Amex cards is very expensive - hence why they are not accepted everywhere.

Processing of debit cards can cost 35p or more per transaction regardless of the size of transaction, therefore if a customer buys a single file and pays on a debit card the actual percentage for that transaction is much higher than 5%.

We deal in micro payments and that's a very different situation to processing high value transactions via Paypal only.

You also have to consider the costs of hosting and delivering files to our customers. Do you require hosting for hundreds of terabytes of data? Do you then need to move around incredible amounts of data using insane amounts of bandwidth?

It's very very costly I can assure you.

In regards to 'Not supporting the little guy'. I think we do a great job of supporting the little guy just as much as the big guy... why? because WE are also the little guy!

I think you might need to take a closer look at our site. We are the only site that listens to every new release each day and hand writes reviews of the content we think our customers will want to hear, regardless of what label or artist it is. If you visit our Featured sections you will find pages of reviews and I challenge you to show me where we have not supported the little guy. We are huge believers in supporting good music, especially from new artists who need exposure. No one wants to see pages full of 2nd rate releases, its time consuming for the customer to wade through releases that are not up to standard and so we try and do the hard work for you.

Any label and artist is going to need to promote their release but I think we also do a massive amount to push their products. We run two newsletters a week and cover as much content as we can across our various social network pages including specialist pages for certain genres.
If you think there is something more e can do please let me know, we are always open to suggestion.

We and our competitors have built these platforms to provide an avenue for people to release their music. It has never been easier for labels and artists to release music, the barrier to entry is almost non existent now. My motto is 'Quality always sells' and I see that played out daily on our site.

Thanks

2011-08-13 01:33


Anonymous says:

""Trackitdown.net" - in response to your post:

First of all you're not required to pay a flat 28% sales tax on state to state/international digital sales or a 5% PayPal fee - I have a retail website selling digital content (not music, but other artistic goods) and I'm not required to pay this, so why are you? 28% on your companies income tax maybe... but then shouldn't that be coming out of your end of the "50/50" split? You're passing this expense onto the customer (who probably thinks all or most of the money will go directly to the artist)... which is fine and dandy if you also add the expenses the label and artist incur throughout the process of bringing it to retail, not to mention their own 28% taxes that must be paid at the end of the year!!

Any way you shake it - for a £1.49 sale TID makes 50p - £1 and after distribution the label/artist is making 15-20p. Its absolutely absurd considering that the label/artist is investing all of the time and money into making the product and promoting it, when you're doing nothing to promote it (aside from 1 day of it being listed on the hidden genre release page) yet you're taking the majority of money. Without the label and artist posting up links, players, charts, blogging etc. directly to the songs (all promoting your brand I might add) you would make next to nothing. This is the problem. It might sound dramatic, but in fact you're forcing others to do all of the work so that you can take most of the money.

In reality the new TID Pro offering is only giving the regular customer a price break and your featured artists more sales. It will barely, if at all help the labels or artists who get buried in the release sections due to no advertising or features on your site. Its a nice gesture and effort on your part, but certainly isn't a groundbreaking game changer. The industry needs REAL change which is in favor of the people who actually make the music. Imagine if all of the "little guys" left you're website (BP included), you would be stuck with 10 releases a week from the same labels and artists month after month... can you say bankrupt!? Ironically that is about all you guys do for promotions anyway... once everyone opens their eyes and gets wise to your tactics, you'll be in dire straits. That is unless you make some drastic changes. Believe me, its brewing and this website is proof of that.

2011-08-12 21:22


Admin says:

"Thanks TID. We will correct the payout figure. to 0.80 cents

2011-08-12 13:14


Trackitdown.net says:

"Your figures for our store are slightly incorrect.

Retail of an MP3 at standard pricing is £1.49 and the label split will be 50p.

What you need to understand is that taxes take up 28% of the retail value and card processing another 5% meaning the real net value of a download is around £1 thus labels are on a 50/50 deal.

Our new TID Pro offering is designed to retail at a lower value whilst maintaining the same label return, allowing customers to save money and buy more music.

http://www.trackitdown.net/pro

2011-08-12 05:13


Thomas M says:

"Screw Beatport... TIDpro will keep me happy :) and if I can't find some tunes that are only featured on Beatport for 2:50 euro I will happily download them for free if available... Who wants to pay 2:50 for an mp3 download??? especially when the artists are getting ripped off.. it also makes the artists look like money sucking pricks to naive people... I could get a bloody meal for that price, Beatport is a disgrace.. they promote illegal downloading >:(

2011-08-11 13:16


Anonymous says:

"Hello guys, i'm an "almost famous" artist (that means, i'm not Dedmau5, but not unknown, i had tracks played by the like of Tiesto, VAn Dyk, etc etc). That's important just to let you how Beatport treats everyone that is not a TOP class label or artist.
Me and my label have sold something like 10k downloads per years since 2006, we had around 30/40 top 100 genres chart to date, including a couple of top 10 in the overall chart. Well, despite this, believe me, we have NEVER got a single banner from Beatport. We just got two small featured release in the genre charts in 5 years. Beatport favours just a bunch of artists and labels; other portals are much more fair that them. I have been discussing with a few other fellow djs/artists, and we all share the same toughts. Beatport MUST start to give features more fairly, doing a real selection between tracks that is not based on name and reputation.

2011-08-07 13:51


Anonymous says:

"I've signed up to TID Pro using the free trial offer and after having used it for a week reckon I'll probably continue subscribing. 

It's not the best site but to be fair are one of the only ones to be offering something to the customers and the labels and are a decent alternative to Beatport. 

More power to them I say.

2011-08-02 11:21


Anonymous says:

"I just purchased an album from beatport. It was produced by a mate. He checked his beatport account, no sales for the day.

Im pissed that beatport are not sharing the money with the artist, and my mate is pissed that beatport are ripping him.

The word on the street is that 50% of beatport sales are reported.

Beatport.com steal from artists.

2011-08-02 09:18


Admin says:

"wow that's a shame about labelworx...

2011-08-01 20:43


Anonymous says:

"ha ha..

2011-08-01 08:34


Anonymous says:

"Hi, everybody!
There is other "Devil", for example distribution
Never use http://www.feiyr.com/
We have sold for a year of work of tracks for 500 euros and from them 400 euros has brought to us Beatport. We and haven't seen money. http://www.feiyr.com/they have blocked our account referring to that that we have written the incorrect letter!!!!
http://www.feiyr.com/
http://www.feiyr.com/
http://www.feiyr.com/
http://www.feiyr.com/
http://www.feiyr.com/
The company of basdards... Thieves and condoms

2011-08-01 08:27


Anonymous says:

"*2 pay periods in a row I have received this... no need to state the obvious. read for your own amusement or benefit.


"Label Worx monitor the payment frequency and dates from all DSP's connected to our network. Unfortunately, the above stores have failed to meet their payment deadlines and as a result we cannot include their royalites in this statement. We are in discussions with each DSP to ensure that outstanding royalties will be paid. Label Worx provides a grace period allowing all DSP's ample time to get their royalties paid. In the event that royalty payments are not paid by our next cut off date then future music deliveries will be stopped until said payment is received. If this happens then you will be notified via your dashboard.

If you have recently signed up with Label Worx or have only released your first tracks within the last 3-4 months then it is completely possible that you have not received any commission for this period. The main reason for this is likely to be because the majority of our store partners account on a quarterly basis. Therefore it is unlikely that these statements have been processed and payment has reached us from these stores. We can only account to you for statements we have received payments for. These sales will be included on your next statement. "

*so youre saying that no one is/can/will be held accountable for the sales? isnt that your job to collect and why you take 20% of my royalties?

2011-07-29 04:29


Anonymous says:

""STOP PRESS! DJ Mag Top 100 Poll is Live - Each voter gets FREE TID Pro"...

Yeah, for one month that is and then you need to cancel before you're credit card/PPal is charged every month thereafter.

Hey TID, whats with the new Facebook app voting method? I mean really... everyone MUST join Facebook to vote now!? With FB being blocked in several huge countries (oddly the same places that actually pay attention to the rankings and base DJ fee's on) equaling millions of lost votes for many DJ's (who cant even vote for themselves) it seems like a thoughtless, biased and frankly stupid idea. Well done!

2011-07-28 07:12


Anonymous says:

"totally agree with the deadmau5 comment. if he sold his songs on a blog, another store or even a street corner it would become popular. beatport pays him to sell exclusives on their site not the other way around. they have different deals, rules and sales quotas for different labels and artist, I know this for a fact. they make the majority of their money from the small label and artist doing a few hundred sales per release. most labels and distribution companies wont accept a release if the artist wants to opt out of selling on beatport and that is why everyone is on there THERE IS NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER! why do we need these leaching middleman companies involved anyway? yes they are a business and need to make a profit, but at what cost to the dance industry? they really only support the artists, labels and products that they are affiliated with and this is why you will always see the same brands and artist on their websites and at their events. surely there can be a better option.

2011-07-27 20:26


Anonymous says:

"new beatport sucks!

2011-07-27 05:10


Anonymous2 says:

"Also that outrageous $40,000/per month that you say Deadmau5 makes on Beatport is definitely NOT because Beatport did anything special. It's because DeadMau5 chooses to send everyone to Beatport to buy his music. Deadmau5 > Beatport. Beatport still sucks.

2011-07-26 23:21


Anonymous2 says:

"RE: "multi-platinum artist making 19cents" - what you said here doesn't justify anything. that is a whole different league of the music business (so is deadmau5). You said yourself, that "production, marketing, advances, etc" are involved with multi-platinum artists. And millions are made from those ventures. Most indie label ventures will never reach that level and it is those smaller labels that should mean more to you than say BMG or even Deadmau5. $30,000 a month? Most of beatport's labels could only dream of making that in a year even. Of course Deadmau5 is not complaining... but your smaller (more important labels) ARE complaining.. that should say something. no?

2011-07-26 21:06


Anonymous says:

"multi platinum..dream on. beatport is making deals with anyone they can right now to increase sales. and not only do they make their money from but thrive upon the lesser known indie labels and artist.. 30,000? I will bet my life that 29,000 of those releases are in question one way or the other. take 1/2 of the royalties flat and right off of the top - and what do they do for said label? nothing at all. the small indie labels overhead isnt in the equation then I suppose? your a commercial hounding loser. get a grip pal.

2011-07-26 05:10


Anonymous says:

"64 cents a track is a lot more than a multi-platinum pop artist makes per track (generally if they make enough sales to cover the costs of production, marketing, advances, etc they make roughly 19 cents a track sold). Learn the music business (like REALLY learn how it works) before you decide to bash a website or music delivery/distribution platform. If beatport sucked so bad why would there be over 30,000 artists and labels using it? Anyone who produces electronic dance music or electronica in general has their music for sale on beatport. If a track is not on there it's because a label didn't think it was worth putting out for the public(beatport only deals with labels, not individual artists). food for thought. I highly doubt Deadmau5 is bitching about his $40,000.00USD (give or take) a month in revenue from beatport alone. jus' sayin'.

2011-07-25 13:53


DJ WhatTheFuck says:

"Beatport needs to implement a search by BPM function.. should be easy enough right?

2011-07-23 06:52


Admin says:

"@Anonymous we talk about distribution costs a lot in the postings below.. We will be sure to add that to the info in the article. Thanks

2011-07-23 06:49


Adam B. says:

"Um the new html5 site is even worse to navigate then the Flash version ! Scrolling suxx , They should rather update the flash site to a better layout...

2011-07-23 03:52


Anonymous says:

"http://www.trackitdown.net/pro

Interesting new pricing concept from TID to increase sales. Surely good for regular customers and labels that pay for advertising on the site. Otherwise, as a label I don't expect to see much change in royalty amounts until they decrease their % cut and make better, more easily viewable and searchable new release pages.

2011-07-20 15:37


Anonymous says:

""Example: In a 50/50 label/artist split, if the MP3 sold for $1.64 the shop takes 0.65 cents (%40), The remaining amount is 0.98 cents which the label splits 50/50 with the artist. So the artist would get 0.50 cents."

What about distribution? Last I checked the main shops (Beatport) require labels to go through distribution and of the 40-60% from retail they will take 15-30% before sending the royalty on to the label. Additionally if the song is a remix the royalty gets split and if the artist has a manager or rep they will take 10-20%. Realistically the original artist and remixers are the very last people on the list to be paid and get very little percentage wise.

2011-07-19 22:50


Anonymous says:

"nowtrax???? That site is horrible.

2011-07-19 16:57


Anonymous says:

"The player on the new beatport is driving me nuts
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

2011-07-18 07:20


Anonymous says:

"Has anyone seen www.nowtrax.com. it is much better and easier to use.

2011-07-18 04:50


Anonymous says:

"Yep, it sucks.. they rape profits like a homosexual serial rapist on a 3 week meth binge.

2011-07-17 20:14


john says:

"while beatport seems to be making strides with their current net trends (or maybe not, according to some), the more important thing which needs to be addressed is that labels and artist should be able to deal directly with them. currently there is no direct dialog between manufacturer and retail. its unheard of in any industry. The whole "we decide who we deal with, we name the price and we name the royalty" scheme (meanwhile promoting "we are thew clubbing industry peoples spoke person" etc.), its an outrageous scenario that must change. we all understand that there must be a buffer between some guy who makes a song now and two minutes later releases it.. but isnt that your job as the retailer (your 50% cut) to figure out and roll with the times? any professional can look at a file and know if its been properly mastered no? we dont need the artist to manager to publisher to label to distribution to retail and back contracts and money grabbing... nonsense for songs that will be popular all of 1 month at most retail (most releases currently get a day or two on a hidden release page right?). songs that are stronger obviously enter into another category... licensing? its totally different and has nothing to do with beatport, you're a store and that is it. do your job.

2011-07-17 04:22


Admin says:

"If that is really COO Matthew Adell chiming in that means we officially have Beatport reading this page (which is a good thing). Hopefully out of all the snide complaining something useful has been achieved.

The return to HTML is a very good thing for labels and artists. The share-ability and load time of the site is 1000x better and we should all acknowledge these great improvements. The layout is clean and functional and provides the basics what you need to navigate. Searching by key and bpm will be very useful for lots of people. What more do you need??

The remaining issues lie with the retail infrastructure, tiers, and pricing schemas.. which exist in most of the other shops. This will now be the primary focus of this page.. (once we get a chance to update it).

2011-07-16 03:32


Admin says:

"@Anonymous we haven't launched yet because we have no team to support all you people who would want to use it. Also.. We can launch portions of the app, but which ones? Would you rather have a full working shop that ties to your paypal account? Or.. would you rather have the aggregator which will distribute to all the shops (juno, digitaltunes, trackitdown, beatport) -- which would cut out the 15%-20% aggregators?

2011-07-16 02:20


Anonymous says:

"Did beatport get more expensive in the new version?

2011-07-15 08:41


Matthew Adell says:

"hey guys thanx for your support, new beatport is finally online! I hope you like it. please send us your feedback, some tomatos and old eggs!

2011-07-14 14:54


Anonymous says:

"solutions you dumb ass. we're frustrated with people like you. bp is becoming like your local radio station now... complete with contest, prizes and all of the other usual bollocks sponsored by lame companies you *unt.

2011-07-14 06:45


Anonymous says:

"If you love your music and love to experiment with sounds, trying new things and simply love not to be part of the big dictator fake then beatport is probably not anything you should consider in your whole life. Oh, I forgot: If you are David Guetta go for it!

2011-07-12 15:35


google says:

"Beatport is a very bad and unpolite service & online shop....it doesn't work fine anymore. I have many friends djs that stopped using beatport and are now really happy user of other online music shops.

at the beginning there was only beatport, now there are many better download shop.
do a little effort and try the other shops ( just need to register and even security transaction is better then beatport ) you will not regreat and you will never get back to beatport that is now one of the worse online download shop.

try: amazon, juno, hmv, whatpeopleplay, djdownload, trackitdown and many others serious and very good shops.

2011-07-11 07:03


Anonymous says:

"make a song that YOU love. make a website. release that song yourself. promote it yourself. sell it yourself. charge more/less than the standard... if its really great (to everyone you promoted it to and who hears it) you'll be way beyond beatports grasp. all money is in your hands. when it is all said and done it could cost you about $10. in start up cost. wow. if you have an international hit.. well then you can negotiate your deals as you like with BP or whoever yeah. beatport/beatportsucks(where is the new site?).. seems people are just waiting to see what goes next... make something happen I say(and do).

2011-07-11 06:16


music is done says:

"sorry about your music...but let's back on topic:

beatport is at the end.

don't buyt at beatport.

register to better shop like amazon, juno, trakitdown, djdownload, hmv, whatpeopleplay, etc etc many more.

new beatport html website is like a '90 porn website. useless.

2011-07-08 14:44


jakt says:

"i've all but given up on getting any royalties for anything i've done. i've been fleeced by so many labels now that its effected my motivation to complete a track.

i'd rather have 10 tracks rejected and one accepted if that meant there was a level of quality control, and i was to be accurately paid. there is too much 10 minute garbage getting released from "torrent producers", just dumping a vengence pack into a glitch and calling it gold.

if you feel like reading, i did a note about it here: https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=434593236952

it pretty much sums up the state of electronic music in the past few years.

2011-07-08 12:53


Anonymous says:

"no it's not you! it's me!!!
I am beatport, I designed a ridiculous website in flash! and I restyled it in html making it even worse! I decided to not use the power of SQL and the beauty of math. and I...I...I am deciding to close my stupid webshop because sellings are dropping down so fast!!

2011-07-07 12:47


Anonymous says:

"I am beatport, I make the charts, I determine who buys or gets what cash and when and I also bribe the (female) staff via penis sabbottageness. so if you're a chick, get in line beeyotch.

2011-07-07 09:12


Anonymous says:

"WHO MAKES THE TOP CHARTS? THE SALES? OR THE BRIBED STAFF?? AHAH

2011-07-06 19:35


Anonymous says:

"As an artist and label head I don't have the time it would take to create such a retail store (I would rather spend my time making, performing and releasing music!)and so I am willing to give up a reasonable percentage of sales to a company that does it right. For a new retail store, based on the problems we've encountered, I would say the following would be a great start-

Have the option for direct label to retail agreements.

At least a 60/40 split in favor of labels (75/25 is ideal for labels to cover cost and pay artists and you as the store will still see good profit margins) + a bonus program for top sellers.

Comparable pricing of songs/releases.

Sales and customer (after purchase) based genre/overall charts.

Accurate genre tags.

Easy to find and organized genre new release pages.

Fair advertising (staff picks + random release sections + "Artists/Label" of the week and/or month feature based on top sales and customer charts).

Comprehensive label and customer service.

Incentives for loyal artists, labels and customers.

Simple but effective and easy on the eyes website design.

2011-07-06 16:21


Anonymous says:

"honestly we don't need another web shop or application. but... if you really want to try to develop something new the only word in my opinion is "Open Source" platform. and we will say good bye to all beatport, juno, amazon etc etc...really we don't need such services to distribute plain digital numbers.

think about it, and if only money and profit comes to your mind, please stop it. ; )
you are doing another fakeport.

2011-07-06 15:43


Admin says:

"Give us your feedback on what you would expect from a web app / online store for selling (or even giving away) your releases?

2011-07-06 12:08


Anonymous says:

"I must agree. I didnt think it was possible for beatport to make a worse site, but they did it! Now the advertisements are bigger but its the same names and labels of course and its even more difficult to search random new releases and find favorite artist. If you search an artist name the release dates are all mixed up and when you click "release dates" to presumably put them into order by date you get an error page saying "lets try this again" ha ha. Browsing through random pages the colors and text they use make it a headache waiting to happen. Horrible website. As the previous post said, it SUCKS!

2011-07-05 21:00


quality allert! BEATPORT beta SU says:

"aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
new html sound preview sounds terrible!
reminds me 8bit sound toys quality.

2011-07-05 17:13


Anonymous says:

"Ladies & Gentlemen: "Yes"!
it is real, Beatport HTML is online! and ...
it SUCKS even more then the flash one!
ahahahaha
I have no words! all the time to see that.
ahahahaha
is this a joke? probably not...

2011-07-05 17:05


Anonymous says:

""Give it a rest"? Where are you getting your information from? According to your math:

100% sale price
-50% Beatport
-33% artists
= 17% for distribution and label to split

I would really like to know what label pays artists "20-33%" royalty on the sale price? That would be most excellent. Where do I sign up!!

But now back to reality, with the current industry standard of Beatport taking 50% and 50% left over to split between distribution, label and finally producer, 33% is an impossible figure. Even with the most favorable of contract terms artists wont earn more than 20% and usually its around 15%.

With CD/vinyl there are too many variables and it is pointless to discuss here, but at least with physical product people can manufacture and distribute units themselves dealing directly with retail stores and earn far more than 20% on a per single basis. Brick and mortar stores must work hard, advertise and deal with customers in a respectable manner if they want to make any money -they MUST earn it. With Beatport they set the sale price, there is virtually no advertising, no customer relations on their part and yet they are taking the majority of the money from sales. Also, you cannot sell music on BP without a distribution company (most of whom do absolutely nothing but upload files and pay labels) and a record label that is required to have many releases and well known artists on their roster. And lets not forget that with digital comes torrent, pirate blog file sharing, further taking away from the artists bottom line. What is Beatport doing about all of this? Nothing but laughing all the way to the bank. This is why people won't "give it a rest" you moron.

I don't like BP and I won't use it. Thanks.

2011-07-02 16:21


Anonymous says:

"New Beatport HTML website is really BAD and the old one is even worse. Beatport player is so old and ugly, looks like very old style design. STOP buy from BEATPORT! there are many....and I say many better shops: amazon, juno, trackitdown, whatpeopleplay and so on!

2011-07-02 01:42


Anonymous says:

"Give it a rest. I spend a few hours a week on BP and have never had much to complain about. The new HTML5 site is better, easier to use and quicker. As for the royalties 20-33% is still much better than what artists recieved through the traditional music industry (cd/vinyl) and the digital format means the target market is much wider and more accessible, especially for the niche segment of electronic music. If you don't like BP don't use it.

2011-07-01 22:58


Anonymous says:

"Please stop buying from beatport, this website doesn't works fine...even the search doesn't work. it look like '90 website. why don't they try DOS technology? monocrome green monitors are good enough to show their green layout. I can't understand how they still online nowdays. there is probably a puzzle man behind the website that is working 48 hours a day to fake up everything.

just want to ask something to beatport guy:

do you know what math is? please google it and try to usi it in your website...it really does the job.

2011-06-30 04:35


Anonymous says:

"Some of these comments are quite funny, some stupid and some actually make good sense... anyway, I think to actually have a chance of being heard by Beatport and making changes, its more important to talk solutions. Just a few of mine would be:

1. Lower the % rate from 50 to 35 or 40, giving artists and labels the majority from sales. You need to realize that we spend far more time, energy and money creating and promoting the products you sell - we make you money, not the other way around!!

2. Create a better, more easily accessible new release section for each genre so that songs aren't buried and hard to find a couple of days after they come out. Properly classify the songs please... it will save customers a lot of time and headache which in turn will mean more sales.

3. Truly mix it up with your advertising of releases - you say its random and fair, but we all know differently.. its always the same artist and labels getting the spotlight on your website, blog and emails.

4. Better client/customer service. When there is a problem and you're at fault, it should be your top priority to fix the issues and make things right.

5. Offer some lesser known artist and labels (the ones who have been loyal with exclusive releases for many years and have consistent sales records) to deal directly with you instead of having to go through and pay useless labels and distribution companies who are just taking a cut of the royalty for little or no work simply because you require them to be the middlemen. If you really care about the future of the clubbing industry, don't you think that consistent artists deserve incentives? Cut out these greedy middlemen companies, they're doing far more harm than good. The current business model and state of the industry is forcing the majority of artist to give up or starve because of horrible royalty rates and payment schedules. we have to eat everyday and pay rent every month too... getting payed 15% once every 6-16 months isn't suffice.

All in all I really think that if you treat artist and labels better (at least fairly), even at a lower % it will not only increase your profits from gaining new customers, people across the board will respect your brand and have no reason to complain... you will become the innovator among retail brands, set the new standard, show people that you really do care about the clubbing industry and the artist creating the music we listen to... you will gain new customers and artist doing exclusive releases with you - it really is a favorable scenario for everyone.

2011-06-29 21:43


Anonymous says:

"beatport is the only store that consistently puts my releases in the wrong genres and sometimes even change the artist and song titles!! do they even look at the cover art? with artist and song title listed on the cover you would think they at least couldnt get that part wrong. its only after the label tells the distribution company and they notify beatport of the "mistake" that it gets corrected, but by then its too late because the release date doesnt change and it gets buried in the genre release pages with little to no chance of being successful. when all of the other stores are getting it right, how is this possible for beatport to mess up?

im of the opinion that there are three possible causes for this, either 1. they are stupid 2. they are lazy 3. they are purposely doing this so that only the artist and labels who work with or for beatport always get ad space and assured chart positions. i'll never know for sure but its probably a combination of all three.

2011-06-25 03:37


bc in boston says:

"beatport tags their releases with vague, nonsensical genres the same way a 15 year old deadmau5 fan would. why is electro a subgenre in the "electronica" section, and why are half of them mis-tagged tracks that are actually electro house?

2011-06-22 10:24


Anonymous says:

"I don't know in others genres pages, but I think is quite the same:
Beatport is killing dubstep from long time.
PlayMeToo Records and Rottun recordings are costantly mentioned into Featured Releases.

And in the "10 Must Hear track" every weeks you find the same tracks that are in the topdownload and in banner areas.

This gives exposure at the same labels, artist and djs every weeks eveydays.

When I use beatport I must scroll new releases for hundreds of pages before find something new and fresh.

It's a really mafia style behaviours

2011-06-22 09:16


stupidBP says:

"please stop buying from BEATPORT.
please STOP using BEATPORT.
THERE ARE MANY MANY OTHER BETTER SHOPS. find it and use it: juno, amazon, trackitdown etc etc and so many many others.

you know the word CHEAPER?

the only things that beatport ask you an invite to have a look at their news sucking beta html5 site really show their stupid elite policy about everything. there will always be some privilege to someone that is "really connected with them"!

fuck this policy and fuck you beatport! you suck! stop your stupid business and let us free.

"beatportsuck" is a good website. at least it give me opportunity to write what I feel.

in my opinion beatport has reached the bottom, I hope the new HTML will be better...but I am quite sure it will suck as the old 1.

2011-06-19 10:11


JJ says:

"youre entitled to your opinion, but imo youre an uninformed idiot. obviously not an artist yourself or you would know that your comments are totally wrong. no artist gets a third of the sale price from beatport. 999 out of 1000 releases get absolutely no advertising, are buried in hard to find genre new release pages and many times mislabeled making it even more difficult and frustrating for customers to find. aside from file storage and a shopping cart beatport does not provide anything for artists and labels and most certainly hasnt "invested millions into a product". they're nothing more than a basic website and e-store. nothing can justify the money they charge and the manner in which they treat the music community.

"These endless discussions about payments, only taking into account the hard dollar earned by the artist." this is because artists are the ones actually investing time and money into making the music beatport sells! without the artists beatport has nothing. no one said that beatport shouldnt make money, these endless discussions are due to the fact that beatport is taking the majority of money while treating people and the products with little to no respect. they have zero customer/artists/label service (have you ever tried contacting them?) and therefor people have no choice but to voice their opinions in places like beatportsucks.com. tens of thousands of people feel exactly the same as I do. all that we are asking for is fair treatment, pricing and royalty payments.

2011-06-18 20:07


Anonymous says:

"beatportsucks.com sucks! What business does not want to make money? Ohhhh, poor artists. They only get a third of the money beatport makes? How about the major exposure these artists get through sites like Beatport and iTunes. Stuff that would otherwise be unknown. These endless discussions about payments, only taking into account the hard dollar earned by the artist. So it's OK for a company to invest millions into a product, and it's maintenance, but they should not be earning money? Hmmmmm.. Don't stop buying at beatport, stop this silly nonsense site!

2011-06-18 08:51


Anonymous says:

"amoe:

While the issues you mentioned regarding Beatport are valid, the main thing is that the copyright holders aren't being paid properly (or at all in many cases). From the "£10 for 10 tracks" the producer will only receive between £1. - £2. at most (a remixer will get less than 25% of what that), while BP takes £5. directly from the sale, distributor (mandatory with BP) takes 15-30% of whats left over quarterly and label ( again mandatory with BP) takes 50% of what the distributor sends them quarterly - all of this money changing hands 6-15 months (or more) before the artist gets anything. Its a complete joke (at least for the copyright owners) how the system operates. Until there is a completely open book and fair market place, the best thing that you can do to support the artists you like is buy directly from their personal websites.

2011-06-17 21:20


amoe says:

"The death of CD annoys me enough already. Beatport is an absolute travesty. I can pay more than double the price of the equivalent CD for an inferior product (no physical media or artwork). Please level out the costs for FLAC to equal the MP3 costs, disk space does NOT cost that much anymore. Fix the price at £10 for 10 tracks and I'll be happy. BP could reasonably take 10% of that and give the rest to the artist and still easily recoup their operating costs.

2011-06-14 23:31


Anonymous says:

"LOL... its more like "we scam you, you know we scam you, we know you know we scam you, we know you are not happy about it, but we dont give a shit because we make money off of stupid people like you" in ancient chinese ding dong language.

lets face it, however wrong their tactics may be, BP is a business and only cares about profits. if you disagree with the way they treat producers and indie labels then stop buying music from them and stop going to their events. instead buy directly from the labels and producers you like. if enough people do this eventually BP will have no choice but to change their business model or go bankrupt - END OF STORY.

2011-06-13 18:48


mausescam says:

"it means "I scam you and make you happy" in ancient arabic.

2011-06-12 13:43


Anonymous says:

"@"beatport spelled backwards is troptaeb. satanic fuckers"

What does that mean?

2011-06-07 09:56


Anonymous says:

"beatport spelled backwards is troptaeb. satanic fuckers

2011-06-04 10:18


Anonymous says:

"disagree. abandoning could be everything. every dollar does matter. if you're a dj, then you play regularly and buy tunes every week.. each dj spending around(well for me) $75. to fill my sets... the point is that beatport isnt offering us songs that my little 3 year old sister doesnt know about. its mass market, corporate, sell quantity fuck nuggets from spondered contract shite. the future of beatport is nothing.. they know they did wrong with corporate alignments, the whole miami fiasco and now are just trying to make a buck before selling out or folding. its all ploys people!!!! and btw, myspace doesnt suck, I keep seeing this on blogs etc... tweet, face blah... did you know that more than half of the world doesnt even have access to facebook or twitter? GET REAL

2011-06-04 04:15


Anonymous says:

"i mean, *im saying you dont have to conform*

2011-06-02 18:31


Anonymous says:

"I dont think abandoning it is going to change anything. It's like global warming and vegans, a small percentage of the total users aren't going to damage it. I'm saying you may aswell conform, but it's unrealistic any change will occur at this rate. In genreal, people only change when they absolutely have to.

2011-06-02 18:30


Anonymous says:

"I heard beatport sacrifices babies in their offices

2011-06-02 15:54


Anonymous says:

"also do not buy Native Instruments Products because they support shitport

2011-06-02 03:52


Anonymous says:

"forget about beatpoortal too

:D

2011-06-02 03:51


Anonymous says:

"solution =

1) don't buy on beatport
2) don't search & visit beatport
3) don't use beatport player for your website
4) don't visit beatport

please follow these guidelines and we'll be free

2011-06-02 03:50


Anonymous says:

"I can't even get the direct links to work.
How can they expect you to even promote yourself.
People aren't going to search hard for stuff they've never heard of before.

My first release came out tuesday and it's already sunken into the black-hole-abyss that is beatport, never to been seen or heard again, especially as my label haven't even mentioned the release on their FB/myspace page, they don't even have an outline of who's on their label. They must not care about the product they make their cents off of.

All this crap sucks the fun out of making music, coz you can't even get it out to people, even after signing and releasing on more than adequately known businesses/services etc.

2011-06-01 18:16


Anonymous says:

"ahahah sorry but I should agree ... don't talk too much...please do.

2011-06-01 15:46


Anonymous says:

"it would seem that this website is also run by beatport. judging by the lack of results... (?) wheres your new site man? waste of time people.. complete bullshit.

2011-06-01 07:42


Anonymous says:

"even though I havent used beatport in ages recently they have been bombarding me with 25% off emails. sales must be going down? :)

2011-05-25 18:15


Anonymous says:

"djtunes is way better than beatport. not to mention that beatport completely ripped off djtunes web style (with new beta beatport).

2011-05-25 14:57


Anonymous says:

"Yeah, for sure, I can't wait for Beatport's downfall. Too much of monopoly. There are so many amazing artists out there that don't easily fit into a pigeonhole for these online retailers as well. That's why I use Bandcamp and other such sites. I thought the internet was supposed to put more power in the hands of the artists, but good-ol' corporate greed and centralisation of power changed that...I'm confident that things will eventually swing in favour of the artists...peace

2011-05-24 00:20


Anonymous says:

"I'd like to hear the reason of the owner before I make any conclusion

2011-05-23 03:16


If it sounds good, It is good says:

"Yes they are all thiefs, the responsible creative mind is on the end of the payment chain and gets zero

2011-05-22 23:29


Anonymous says:

"HRHV1 is quite correct in his statement. However, and as much as Beatport would deny it, they are nothing more than a boutique store. They make their own rules. Clearly they sell and promote what they want, charge what they want and take the % rate that they want. Simple. The only reason that they are successful is because they have exclusive deals with the top 1% most well known labels and artist directly, which in turn brings in all of the smaller artist and labels who want to be sold in the same store as them. The price/royalty scheme is different for each of those top 1% brands and based upon how famous they are. Do you honestly think that Mau5trap, Toolroom or Ultra are paying the same rates as the average indie "Joe Schmo" artist or label? Not a chance. For everyone else, they must use (and pay the extra fee's) a "reputable" label and distributor to be sold through Beatport. You see, even despite shotty treatment and no support Beatport makes the majority of their profits off of the lesser known artist and labels, while that top 1% gets the special treatment of priority ad/chart/blog space and high royalty % just so they will stay exclusive with Beatport. If the lesser known artist and labels would stop using Beatport, they would most definitely fail because the top 1% wouldn't agree to the same prices everyone else pays to be on there and therefor BP would lose all their profits. This means that the small artist and label actually does control the destiny of how things operate in the digital industry -don't sell through, don't buy from Beatport and they will go out of business.

2011-05-15 17:34


HRHV1 says:

"As someone working in the music industry I firmly believe and so does every single person I speak to believe Beatport is not only a horrible company to deal with they are the worst thing that has ever happened to the dance music industry.

On the face of it the public dont really see it but what they get shoved in their face form their awful cheap and nasty website is the lowest common denominator of music. Today only around 3% of dance music artists will ever be able to make a living and even then most of them will eek a living. Only 1% will actually do well and of course they are the same faces promoted over and over again by Beatport. It wasnt like this ten years ago, there was enough to go around, everyone got a piece of the action. Anyone making and releasing music today had better realise fast the chances of making a living from it, and even selling more than 100 downloads per release is extremely slim. You see, its all about volume for Beatport. On average they upload between 5000 and 10,000 new releases every week (yes that is the real figure) so if you add all that up + all the many years releases they have then its a pure numbers game, they will sell enough to do extremely well at their end but the niche artist will be lucky to see $300 per quarter and thats from doing a release every 3 weeks.

Dealing with the company is impossible unless your basically an elute such as Deadmus. Few labels get to deal with them direct hence they cannot bring to the attention of Beatport new ideas that long made the dance music scene an innovator in business and music. When you do deal with them direct they are a very difficult and arrogant company to deal with. Its their way or no way. You never actually speak to anyone either. Its always emails and lots and lots of extremely irritating forms to fill in, and in those you have to explain things so crystal clear because more times than not you will be dealing with someone who doesnt seem to get it. I dont know why that is. I do however get a sense the staff are so restricted in what they can do, what they can say etc. Its just not a friendly company to deal with. YOu can also find your self running around mad delivering a presentation to them which you spend considerable time and resoirces on only to get a one line email back sayingthanks but no thanks. You never actually get to a position where you can speak to someone and tell them you have a good PR idea etc but you need BP on side. So they are really in a evry powerful position and can really stop a label from promoting a release.

I deal with Apple direct and they have a much better attitude, and of course they are a far bigger company. Apple dont treat the people who bring them a lot of income as dirt which is the impression I get from Beatport and so does everyone else I speak to.

Do you notice how stagnated the dance scene is? How since Electro House arrived in around 2004/5 there has been no new developments in sound. Before we would see musical barriers being pushed every two years. Do you notice how DJs these days really do sound exactly the same, how only a tiny handful of them push musical barriers, how the majority of them play it safe with commercial house, Electro, Trance and that awful minimal crap which is a genre heavily pushed by Beatport for years now for some inexplicable reason. The stagnation and conformity of the scene is definitely Bearports fault.

Then there is their absaloutely awful site. Doesnt this show you how lazy and how much a lack of vision this company has. The site they have is almost exactly the same as the one they started with back in 2002. Disgraceful that the company which seels the majority of electronic music has such little room to promote new music on their site.

Then theres the royalties to labels/artists. Its a joke, pure greed actyually considering their overheads to sell the music is practically nothing. In the days of vinyl it was uinderstandable beacsue distribuitors had real overheads. Yet BP take more of a share than the vinyl distros did.

The best our industry can hope for is that some other company gives this company some serious competition. Only then would we see a better treatment of label, artists and customers. If we don't see that then their arrogance will only grow and their dominance and monopoly of the electronic music scene will spell disaster for the industry.

You can help by buying from other download stores such as Juno which has a far better interface anyway and is usually cheaper. Even buying from Itunes is better than Beatport, In fact anyone but them,

2011-05-14 19:36


nick says:

"Beatport are proper rip off merchants!! £2.50 for a wav file...WTF is up with that!
digital-tunes.net sell wav files for 88p!

2011-05-12 09:43


Anonymous says:

"What is frustrating to me (and I have a lot to say about) is that I went to university for music, spent over €18,000 on digital and analog studio gear, pay for session musicians and vocalist, always pay for professional mix and mastering services with one of the best studios in the world, DJ regularly in the EU, Asia and USA, collaborate on projects with some of the biggest names in dance music, my songs consistently chart and get radio play, I have my own label and websites to promote and release my songs under and yet despite all of that because I choose to release songs myself and retain full control over the products I invest in and work hard to create I cannot get my songs on Beatport without going through some other label with more names on it and/or a distributor that requires me to pay them some 40 percent of my sales profits, not to mention both try to influence or "filter" the music according to their personal taste. Its blatant censorship, not quality control as some say - on average I spend €300 per song to assure the best quality and as I said before, my songs regularly get into sales and DJ charts, so that isn't the issue at all here. Its completely ridiculous and in the end its the DJ or fan who suffers most because they cant access my music without jumping through hoops and spending hours searching all over the net to find it.

It seems as though Beatport is a necessary evil because compared to other dance music retail stores they sell the most digital content... but at what cost to me the producer, the DJ, the fan? I'm trying to carve out a living in the music industry while keeping true to my creative passion, all they are doing is forcing me to comply to their "one-size-fits-all" system of standards, meanwhile taking most of the profits from my hard work and using their email subscription and blog to act as if they really care about my music and career and should receive some recognition for their great efforts in supporting me the artist. In all honesty I think that they only promote and help those DJ's and labels who they have a personal (monetary) interest in and can control through sales, advertising, endorsements and events. But what about the people who make great music, have a proven sales record and fan base and yet prefer not to be influenced, controlled or "filtered" by outside and frankly irrelevant people/companies? After all we're talking about a creative process and end product that should be made available to the consumer in an unbiased fashion are we not? Personally, I think that the consumer should be able to decide what is worthy and what is rubbish (we're not stupid about what we like, are we?), not some corporate money hungry, music illiterate, dEsk jockey asshole who knows nothing about what is actually happening on the street and in the clubs. If they REALLY cared about dance music, the fans and the clubbing industry on the whole, shouldn't they also be supporting the little guys, the up and coming producers, the people who are working their asses off and spending their own money to make great songs? A good song is a good song is a good song no matter who makes it or what label or distributor they use to get it out there isn't it? With all of their corporate power and control in the industry couldn't they easily open a sister website/retail store which catered specifically to this kind of artist or small label and let the consumers decide what stays and what must go? I say cut out the middlemen, let consumers decide and let the producers earn what they truly deserve. Beatport will still get their cut of the money so its win win isn't it? A lot of people say "there are no rules to music", well given what is happening with these companies and the current state of the industry, I beg to differ. It literally makes me sick how they operate and what they are doing to the music industry and to find a website like this one means that I am not alone in this feeling. As some people previously said, it may take many of us to band together, stand up to these companies, spread the word, boycott if necessary, do whatever it takes to change these issues facing us today. If you're serious about dance music, then you know what I'm saying is right. The point is that we should each individually be doing something positive to make this happen. Thanks for reading and keep up the good work guys!!

2011-05-11 19:49


130plz says:

"check this vid about this website : BEATPORT SUCKS

http://youtu.be/2Ah18MZSLlQ?hd=1

(sorry, first one was by mistake. didnt provide the link.

2011-05-11 11:24


130plz says:

"check this vid about this website : BEATPORT SUCKS

2011-05-11 11:23


Anonymous says:

"The fact is that retailers, labels, managers, publishers etc. are taking 85-95% of sales. Unfortunately, most of them are doing little to nothing in support of the artist. The exceptions to this are the (very few) ones who pay advances, put on regular club nights, do magazine and net advertising, radio shows, original artwork for each release, (selective) DJ promo mail outs, proper enforcement of illegal downloads, fair accounting practices, both digital and vinyl releases and so on and so forth (its a long list of what they should be doing). Even some of the biggest, most known and respected labels don't do any of the above. Lets face it, unless you're a retailer/label poster child, in todays industry everyone but the actual producer/copyright owner is getting paid. Even the p2p/pirate sites are making money off of artist by giving the music away for free! If you're a DJ or just a music fan, when available buy directly from the artist, its the only way to truly support them. Artist should be retaining their copyrights, licensing non-exclusive deals, promoting and selling their music on their own sites. Its the only way to take back control and change the current state of the music industry. Just my 2 cents ;)

2011-05-09 09:56


Anonymous says:

"http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/the-new-generation-producers-25-and-under/


are you fucking serious? I just turned 27.. I guess I'm too old to make it on Beatport now

2011-05-07 09:10


Anonymous says:

""The following DSP's have failed to pay outstanding royalties so are not included in this statement :
Beats Digital - [Store Closed], Resonant Vibes - [Store Closed]" ...

2011-04-29 17:43


Admin says:

"@Anonymous nice one.. saw this coming.. we noticed beatport was hiring people with skill sets that did not involve flash eheh..and that tipped us off.. good news though.. this is a step in the right direction as far as the site design goes. Now to get the royalty situation fixed heheh.

2011-04-29 03:29


Anonymous says:

"New Beatport site unveiled (html5)

http://lostinmusik.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/the-all-new-beatport-site-is-unveiled/

2011-04-27 07:14


Admin says:

"Also @Kinetik -- man that beatler site is a good move. Nice work. Here's a good review about it here. http://www.djtechtools.com/2011/04/14/beatler-crate-digging-alternative-for-beatport/

2011-04-27 02:34


Admin says:

"Some observations about Beatport's featured releases:

1) It's always the same labels
2) It's always the same artists
3) They limit the # of featured releases to 24
4) Many of the featured releases appear in the top 100
5) The featured labels are always the same
6) The featured labels are labels people already know
7) Unless you know what you are looking for, browsing the site for music you like is impossible. You must rely on the top 100 or the featured stuff as your entry point to "dig" for music.

Wishlist:
1) Make a randomized list of new releases in the featured section (or on another tab)
2) Randomize the featured labels list
4) Feature more than 24 releases (how about 100?)
5) Make it easier to find similar releases (perhaps tie into the AudioScrobbler API?)

my 0.2

2011-04-27 02:29


Admin says:

"@Anonymous -- Boycotting the labels is a grand idea and all but they are necessary which is why they ever formed in the first place, as a promotion house to help artists get their stuff promoted well. Many indie labels (which is what the majority of labels are these days), are music enthusiasts themselves.. and after being in the industry after so long you start learning more and more about how things work and are able to help other people with your knowledge. A lot of people get to this stage and start a label. It is not because they are greedy.. and yes, we realize there are some shiesty ones out there..but that does not speak for all of them.. and if you hook up with the right label (one that has their shit together and can keep up with all their artists), then you'll have a completely different experience altogether.

A mistake I think many labels make (and it is hard to avoid), is signing too many artists and then not being able to do all the administrative work behind keeping up with all the artists... this is probably one of the top reasons labels go south the way you described in your complaint.

So.. my main point here is that labels serve a good purpose. You just have to find a good one who has a good recent track record.

2011-04-27 02:15


Admin says:

"@RChuck FLAC is great and all but some software (Serato) will not play FLAC..

2011-04-27 02:07


Anonymous says:

"what he said. last payment from one label in italy I sold just over $2000 total which beatport took $1000, the distribution company took $200, the label got $800 and took out $400 and I was supposed to get $400 but the label made me pay tax which left me with $280 and then a bank transfer fee of $35 so after all of that I only got $245 from the $2000 sales which is NOT 50% of the $800 like the contract says I should get. never again. these guys are scammers.

2011-04-25 21:54


Anonymous says:

""RM" is right. But its not only Beatport fucking artist.. some labels are too. US and UK producers especially BEWARE!!!! Stay away from Italian labels!!!-especially ones that use stars or rabbits in their release art ;)... they'll try to keep all sales royalties and/or try to charge 30% tax, bank wire fees $40.each, proof of residency document $35., no proper accounting or sales spreadsheets and so on... complete bullshit!!!! MAKE SURE YOU GET SCREENSHOTS OF YOUR SONGS IF THEY ARE IN THE CHARTS!!! It might be your only proof of sales to chase the labels up later on. Get advanced payments, NEVER EVER SIGN AWAY COPYRIGHT/PUBLISHING to a foreign label(or at all). Release directly with stores and/or only on your own website. Enough is enough. Its time for artist/producers to fight back and take control of the music and royalties. Boycott these labels!!!!!! The artist/producers wont get a penny from the money you spend!!! You've been warned.

2011-04-24 18:43


Anonymous says:

"Beatport? Fuckin Thiefs!!!!

2011-04-13 14:47


Anonymous says:

"FUCK BEATPORT AND HIS TOP ARTISTS

2011-04-13 10:57


Dirt_McFilthy says:

"Hop on the Band-camp-wagon

www.bandcamp.com

2011-04-12 07:33


RChuck says:

"Ok forget these shops .. they suck .. we know.
But for all Labels and Producers who visit this site ...
Pretty Please do NOT limit your future supply to mp3!!
mp3 is only sufficient for those who are nearly deaf
or own a very very very small harddisk.
FLAC is the future baby!!

2011-04-11 10:24


Anonymous says:

"Why does beatport charge a handling fee? I can buy WAV files from juno for HALF the price...WTF?

2011-04-10 10:20


ems says:

"'I say what what, in the butt. You want to do it in my butt? Okay.,'

2011-04-09 16:02


Admin says:

"@RM -- that's the way!

2011-04-08 08:39


RM says:

"Beatport is a scam, period. It's a fractal of all the corporate fraud that is going on in the world. Our economies seem to be build on fraudulent mechanisms nowadays. I'm going to sell my music via my own e-shop.

2011-04-06 08:55


Windsurfer06 says:

"This game will not run forever.
Launching a website with e.store is not that difficult, and much more efficient to sell specific content than having it in between hundreds of thousands.

2011-04-02 16:40


Kinetik says:

"Also wanted to say i know that has nothing to do with the pricing and I agree about the margins bp is making on each sale. But i DO have to use beatports service. in terms of usability our app just makes that part better.

2011-03-23 17:03


Kinetik says:

"Hey all just wanted to let the mac users out there that are fed up with beatports website know there is a solution. I am one of the devs for an app called beatler. which is a native mac osx client for beatport. Check out that app here www.cancelmonday.com or in the mac app store. I myself was fedup with beatports site and got together with another guy and we built beatler. it has a bunch of extra features that make digging a bit easier. anyways please check it out

I should note i have been looking in to adding other content providers to our app in the future but the problem is the api's dont exist.

Also I am not affiliated with beatport but we do work closely with the BP dev team.

anyways not trying to make a sale but just letting people know the app exists ;)

2011-03-23 16:57


Anonymous says:

"beatport is complete bullshit. as previous dude said, just look at techno or techouse top 100 chart. it's 29 toolroom tracks and 15 1605 music therapy tracks. that's called monopoly. i am an artist and my tracks are in top 20 on junodownload on the same charts. the problem is that i dont see more than 2-3 releases from the same labels at any other top100 digital shop. juno, itunes, web-records, djtunes ...

2011-03-20 18:42


Anonymous says:

"Beatsdigital "The board has ordered that a Statement of Affairs be prepared but I regret to have to tell you that it is unlikely that there will be sufficient funds to wind up the affairs of the company and to settle outstanding debts. We will inform you of the financial position in due course." - Sounds to me like they're taking the money and running.
-----------------------------------------------
Has anyone taken a look at Beatports top 100 lately? Right now almost every spot in the top 40 is Toolroom compilation!!!!!! Interesting how NONE of the same tracks are in the charts on any other DL site. Seems a bit fishy to me.

2011-03-18 20:11


Anonymous says:

"yeah.. not surprised. we've never saw much sales on beatsdigital

2011-03-12 10:32


Anonymous says:

"Beatsdigital goes bust! Probably wont be the only one this year

FAO: Beats Digital Ltd Creditors, Partners and Suppliers

Dear Sir/Madam,

It is with great sadness that I have to announce that BeatsDigital officially ceased trading on Friday 18th February 2011.

The directors have worked hard over the past few months to save the company, but sadly we have been left with no option but to cease trading.

The board has ordered that a Statement of Affairs be prepared but I regret to have to tell you that it is unlikely that there will be sufficient funds to wind up the affairs of the company and to settle outstanding debts. We will inform you of the financial position in due course.

We would like to thank you for your support and business over the past few years, and wish you all well in the future.

Yours faithfully,

Tim Wills
Director, BeatsDigital Ltd.

2011-03-08 12:43


Anonymous says:

"maybe as a new feature you could implement a - direct to artist/distributer/label pay scheme? in other words, take the guess work out of the equation making sure that everyone gets what is fairly owed and in a timely fashion? as is stores, have months to pay, dist. months, label months and all of the above like to play the.. "we're accounting" card.. which goes on and on and on. in the end the producer is getting little or nothing, unless you nag the fuck out of them or hire a lawyer and fight for it. direct to artist pay cut, upfront & open scheme, no guess work easy, everyone happy.

2011-03-02 05:08


Steve says:

"First of all, love this site!

Beatport is really the biggest rip off I've come across for downloading music. The US prices are already ridiculous, but wait until you get to Europe! For example, in Germany the prices range from €1.50, that's about $2, to €2.50, which is almost $3.50! No way is any MP3 worth that much.

It's a shame that there are some tracks that you can't get anywhere else. I really hate to give them my money!

2011-02-27 06:22


Anonymous says:

"I think its funny how beatport has these remix contest where the "best" producer wins a production course, I assume to learn how to produce? Yeah, that makes sense!

2011-02-22 18:46


Apex says:

"I'm ready to join the beta program.

2011-02-10 16:52


Admin says:

"If you would like to get started with our beta program, please contact us at webmaster@beatportsucks.com

2011-02-03 04:27


Admin says:

"ATTENTION LABELS: Another distributor/aggregator to STAY AWAY from is NuUrban. They are a big distributor which might be appealing to you (especially the dubstep and dnb labels).. but they are bad news on many fronts. We know from personal experience, and will give more detail about this after we hash out our current problems with them.

Also -- RE: Apex, I think you contacted us via email? We will be in touch!

2011-01-26 07:24


DJ Nitride says:

"I will never pay 2.50 for a track, fuck you beatport. I would pay 2.50+ for a stack of wax, not a digital download you e shysters.

2011-01-25 08:04


Apex says:

"@admin

When will we know more about this open source project? I'm interested, and could be of assistance.

2011-01-22 19:26


wiseguysucks says:

"hmmm what sucks on beatport huh? ok here it is your search music really suck it doesnt even work like for goo search. for many blank who we have to fill on your advance track search its all useless. its work only for 2 blank which we need to fill from 6 blank which require. maybe u should learn from google how to make a good search. it cause us to search what we want to search and the result still hundred of page that we must to check. your search really suck u know that.

2011-01-22 14:38


Admin says:

"@Anonymous feel free to fill us in on WPP. The shop looks clean, but we've never looked into their fees and artist payouts.

2011-01-14 19:01


Admin says:

"@Donkin

that is a good spin. we can make portions of the code open source and allow ways for 3rd party developers to tie into the service. But at this point in the game we must retain ownership and control of the source, just to ensure it is not stolen and simply marketed better than us.. if you know what I mean.

If you want to become a Beta-tester please contact us. That's the key challenge for us right now... thoroughly testing and making sure it is user-friendly on many levels. So please if any of you want to join in on this and help us make the project the next best thing, get in contact with us, webmaster@beatportsucks.com

You'll be able to use this app for your own label for DigitalTunes, Juno, Addictech, TrackItDown, and possibly a 3rd party like (Symphonic, NuUrban, KeynoteMusic (fka LOAD Media), CI, and others..). We'll require that you already have account setup with these shops...

We look forward to hearing from you!

2011-01-14 18:56


Donkin says:

"@Admin
mmm...
well I dream more about something like an open source community board for house and techno music downloads ... maybe hosted by SourceForge.
I understand that not many developers could be interested in it and join the project.
So good luck with your project too, it seems very interesting!
hope it could be a serious alternative to beatport. looking forward to hear more about it.

2011-01-13 14:24


Admin says:

"@Donkin Yes.. transparency is key.. and my goal is to make this a tiered service where starter packages are free but additional perks would cost a subscription. Some of the perks would include promotion based tools, stats, and integration with other service like soundcloud.. some of these perks would be free too though.

2011-01-13 13:50


Donkin says:

"problem is that you can give us a good alternative but as you start earning money please don't act like beatport.
I think a good solution is something like an open "online dance music shop" community. where members can interact with the main website application in which the most important keyword is "transparency" about transactions, sellings and top downloads. let's join forces to push out bads from the biz.

2011-01-12 03:26


Admin says:

"If you want some info on the solution and how to become a beta tester.. send us an email at webmaster@beatportsucks.com

@Anonymous -- I will take a break and defend Beatport on one thing and one thing only. It's probably unfair to say Beatport started all of this. They are more or less basing their business model off of what the music industry already was before the digital age.

Back then, the record labels worked with distributors and pressing plants who manufactured physical copies en-mass for sale, and then provided distribution services at a fee.

Then the retailers would by stock from the distro's at $2-5 per record but then would set their competitive markup pricing (usually $8-12 per record) so.. this is where this whole thing started.

Now.. the above scenario doesn't look so bad really because well.. everyone has to make some cash to stay in business, but.. the problem is, the digital market has taken this same approach when they don't have to.

It costs nothing to make a copy of a music file. It also costs virtually nothing to deliver it digitally to a person. So, the retailers are seeing huge profit margins. Also, the aggregators and distributors are charging unfair fees for providing a one time service (uploading a label's music to all the shops). The fact that they only have to handle the files one time doesn't stop them from charging the label over and over again for every download sold by a music shop. It really doesn't make sense. There are some other delivery solutions out there that charge one time fees, but they will always have other fees that make their prices about the same as everyone else's.

So, the challenge here is to create a service that is fair to the artists and labels and let's them manage the majority of the distro work themselves... giving them way more control over the content they decide to release (and when it is released).


BIGUP ALL OF YOU!

2011-01-09 17:03


Anonymous says:

"and beatportal sucks even more...

to beatport: "please stop those black eyed peas masked ads...it's horrid."

2011-01-09 12:28


donkin says:

"due to this seems to be a free information website ( omg thanx ), please can you point names instead of supposing names. that could be even more useful. anyway I agree with below poster! thank you

2011-01-07 23:36


Anonymous says:

"based on your average prices, the artist who actually create the music will make at most a measly .23 - .32 cents per sale.. and I think this is absolutely a rip off. where does the other $2.27 go!!???? producers are definitely getting the short end of the stick here, when they should be getting the majority of %. the retail market for music right now is totally ridiculous.

anybody know where can find a list of top retailers based on yearly (and/or quarterly) sales? I think if people knew the alternative retailers available -stores that have good sales records and also deal directly with labels)) they will leave Beatport completely. Right now I think most people use Beatport to sell their music and buy others because they think that its the only place for their label to have the opportunity to make decent money and also find exclusive tracks from big names... this is why Beatport runs the industry right now. But I truly believe that there are enough people that are sick of them that if the next best thing was known and word spread, we could kill this dictatorship known as Beatport. The world really will be a better place without them..the industry needs serious changes so that the artist and labels are making the bulk of the money PERIOD. Also its time to get rid of these leach middle man distribution companies who think they are "A&R" taste makers, charge 20-30% of sales and yet do absolutely nothing but deliver content. I mean really, WHY is it required to use these greedy middle man distro companies? Because they act as a filter for content weeding out the crap before it hits the market you say? WRONG. These people are "WANNA BE" rock star DJ's who couldn't make it so they resign to leaching off of other peoples hard work. Most of them actually know very little or nothing about production, club music and whats hot/not. Anyway, why are they deciding for the public? Check out the names behind most of these distribution companies and you'll see that its true -they are nobody's!!! and shouldn't be involved in anything other than actual distribution of content --delivery at a LOW.. say 5-10% commission? That seems more reasonable. Personally I like to deliver content myself and handle everything but the actual market place sale, which I am willing to pay the retailer a fair commission on.

2011-01-06 19:59


Anonymous says:

"what about whatpeopleplay? to me it looks promising...isn't it?
someone have experience with them?

about beatport: yes it is a shame that this one is alctually considered shop leader for club music in 2011. hope future will deserve us something better...much better. and yes Native Instrument is half guilty. any feedback about WPP?

2011-01-03 09:13


Anonymous says:

"Lets get this party started!!! Homegrown solution is gonna take over the dance music retail industry!!! PLEASE just be sure to cut out blood sucking distribution companies and monopoly game playing elite know it all a&r aspects -let the consumer decide what is hot what is not... the good labels/artist will survive and the jokesters will eventually be filtered out --maybe add a function that allows for rating or commenting on songs? such as not mastered, crap production etc. AND above all else, PLEASE pay labels/artist directly -at least 51% of the sale price -we need to eat too. If you do so, I can guarantee that I will consistently bring exclusive releases from several top names in the industry..and I am positive that many other labels will do the same. Thank you SO much for actually doing something about this mess of an industry that Beatport has created. If I had more time to focus on things outside of label/artist/production/touring etc. I would do it myself... KUDOS TO YOU!

2011-01-02 20:22


Anonymous says:

"yes it suck

expecially those "manipulated" top downloads list!

wow..LOL...BP things to be smart :D

how many labels multiple sells buying their own stuff repetetly to reach tops...is it just a rumour or a sick attitude?

great website! ( this 1 not the original )

can't belive Native Instruments is a partner in such a scam. Please stop NI back on hearth!

2011-01-02 05:28


Admin says:

"@ChuckFinley good post! yes, digital-tunes we agree is one of the better shops out there.. and it's a shame that not more people know about it and use it.

One thing to note about your numbers is that the shops pay "performance royalties" to other agencies like ASCAP, BMI, etc.. so that is another main thing that is contributing to the labels getting only 47-64 cents per download on average.

On top of this, some labels are using distribution companies to get their music on all the shops.. and those companies also charge a % for every download.

2010-12-27 08:42


Chuck Finley says:

"Why dont i ever see people talking about Digital-Tunes.net
is it some kind of secret society i accidentally stumpled upon ?

Since im not interested in paying for flabby files like mp3,
i buy wavs or flacs. (Do u buy bread with holes in it ?)
Therefore i usually purchase my music @ digital-tunes.net
they have one price for mp3/320 and lossless formats,
€ 1.50 for one file. After an amount of time release go into discount and u can buy them for 1 euro!)
I don't know about the label's share but im guessing its on a similar level as other shops.
Now this maybe is just a bit more than some shops ask for a mp3/320 file.
- all shops in this list allow you to pay with paypal -
- 1 €uro is approx $1.30/£0.85 -
- No itunes cause they suck mostof all -only 256k lossy files -
DT €1.50, juno €1.52, bleep €1.35, boomkat ±€1.20, beatport €1.30, trackitdown €1,75
[Boomkat is best for large albums -10+tracks- (mp3/320 and lossless)]

Now for lossless material (WAV/FLAC), that is a completely different story.
DT .. new stuff €1.50 per file. Old stuff €1.00 per file.
Juno €2.34 per file. Boomkat minimum ±€3.20 (flac files not sold seperately).
Bleep €1.99 per file. Trackitdown ±€2.00. Beatport mp3 price + €1.00 for "WAV handling'' [WTF is this?] €2.30.
DT beats em all by at least 50 eurocents, but unfortunately doesnt have everything.

Now there are 4 eps i want to buy (8 WAVs)
and the labels only sell these eps through BP.. (sigh)
BP wants at least €22 (±$30/£18) for 8 WAVs!!
that is over €2.50 per file.
$0,64 is approx €0,50 (label's share)
now according to this price summary you've posted here
these labels (run by the same guy) get 8X€0.50 = €4!!
and BP gets the rest.. (at least €18!! )

I find this ridiculous and i ended up not buying the releases and 'supporting' the labels/artists because i don't want to waste my money on an ugly arrogant and greedy enterprise like Beatport.
loss/loss situation for me and the labels.

I very much enjoy DT but still i hope this Homegrown FairTrade project (like chocolate and coffee) will turn out to be a win/win situation for music producers and 'consumers'.
Good prices for the public (like Digital Tunes) and fair shares for those who produce and release music.

2010-12-25 18:41


admin says:

"@Anonymous -- homegrown solution is about ready for launch. Will post details in some weeks..

2010-12-17 19:46


Anonymous says:

"If you are wanting to know what artist to avoid at all costs, click on this comedic summary of 2010, with completely incorrect genres to boot:
http://www.beatportal.com/awards/beatport-music-awards-2010/

2010-12-14 06:11


Anonymous says:

""a homegrown solution" sounds like a great idea!!! If it becomes reality, my label is most definitely in!!!!!!

2010-11-24 17:12


Admin says:

"Hosting 1 million WAVS you say would cost a fortune? Hmm.. Let's do some basic math here. The average WAV is ~70MB. Multiply that by 1 million = 70 million MB. So 70 terabytes? That's not that much lol.

2010-09-23 01:58


Bill O'Reilly says:

"fucking thing sucks!! where doin it live!

2010-09-19 22:34


Admin says:

"Yet another recent article about the frustrations with beatport.. http://beatsmedia.com/bm-rants/beatport-frustration/

2010-09-11 07:57


Admin says:

"Any of you artists or label owners looking for a homegrown solution that will allow you to post to shops without using a 3rd party aggregator please watch this space. We're developing a system that will allow you to do this and more.. if you are interested please show your interest by replying to this post. Let's unite!

2010-09-11 07:49


Anonymous says:

"The digital dance music industry is a complete mess right now. Because of greedy and know it all distribution companies and retail stores... they both have strict policies forcing labels to look like and be like every other company and release music that is similar to what is popular otherwise they wont accept you in the first place. I see a lot of gripes about what is the correct amount labels receive from these agreements and it breaks down like this: 50% of sale price (whatever it is) goes to the store (no matter what they use it for) of what is left over distribution companies will then take 18-25% (some charge additional flat fee's which arent included in this %), then the label splits what is left over with the original artist/producer 50/50... and lastly the poor remixer gets a 25% cut of the 50% the original artist got... some labels dont even pay the original artist/producer for remixes. So lets say you have a $2.00 sale - the store gets $1. - the distro gets $0.20 cents - the label gets $0.40 cents and the original artist/producer gets $0.40 cents (or that is split with the remixer $0.20 cents each -or 0/20 with some labels). On top of that is the fact that from the time a song is created/submitted to a label, you have a 4-6 week lead time for release (some labels are stuck to a 2 release per month maximum so it could actually be several months until a song is released).. and then royalties are payed the following quarter end (30-60 day grace period + the distro then has an additional 30-60 days to pay the label, which then has another 30-60 days to pay the original/remixer artist/producer = it can take over a year to payed for 1 song and in fact most of the above wont pay anything under $50. in sales -until you go above that figure. THEN we have p2p pirate downloads... factor all of that in and even a top 10 Beatport song will only return a few $100. dollars. Now I really wish someone could show me/us another industry that follows this business model? Its a travesty that a creative industry is being monopolized like this. The people making the music must conform and make next to nothing for their work and the consumer is forced to buy/listen to/play music which is rarely original. The entire industry is run by the retail store -mainly Beatport and this is a fact. The proof is in the pudding as they say.. just try starting a new label -contact Beatport or apply for distribution and you'll see all of the above is completely true. Even worse is that the retail stores and distribution companies demand that labels (and artist in turn) do ALL of the promotion and networking. The average label/artist will work daily for several months creating and promoting (and paying for) a song that will (after a year) pay them a $100. if they are very lucky. Who can survive on that? What industry in this world do the manufactures do/pay for all of the promotion and receive such a small %? The retail stores should be doing the majority of this, with the distro, label and artist doing basic promotion (or as much as they want). OK so lets forget about the money.. I mean really, if you have worked in the industry then you know the following is true - an artist creates a song - the label then decides if its "good enough" to release.. then the distro decides if its "good enough", then the store decides if its "good enough" and finally the consumer decides if what all of the above previously deemed worthy of release is "good enough" and THEN everyone but the creator of the music gets paid. seriously, some labels dont even pay the artist unless they harp on the issue, demand figures and or have copyright enforcement/protection... The cookie cutter system, with low royalty payment structure is killing the industry. Like politics - nothing will change until people demand it. As an artist/producer and label owner with over 200 combined releases, I make more money selling music on my own website, with minimal advertising and NO headache. The point is, if you have a product, there is a market period. There is no reason to conform to this idiotic mandatory Beatport standard. Again, proof is in the pudding - just look at Beatports top 10... IMHO most of it is rehashed commercial rubbish. Consumers/DJ's will search the ends of the earth for good honest music... I know I do.

2010-09-05 15:32


Anonymous says:

"Cool story, bro!

2010-08-07 01:52


Admin says:

"@Anonymous -- The breakdowns are NOT incorrect. We are basing this off of what we've seen the shops pay us (our own label).

@Anonymous RE: $2.49 per track.. We just checked again.. Our preferred format is 320 mp3 and we browsed around the site. Some (usually older tracks) are $1.49 and anything new is $1.99 and up.. but usually $2.49. Either way, the point is, the labels take home about $0.50 - $0.70 per download! And the artists get even less than that!

2010-07-22 16:37


Anonymous says:

"I dont really approve of the Beatport monopoly they've got going on but I know there are a lot of artists and labels across all genres who make a lot of money from Beatport and are probably very happy.

However, I have worked with all of the digital stores listed at the top and know some of the breakdowns you've listed are totally incorrect.

I also know the margin on the sale of a single track is tiny.

@Admin If a track is sold for $1.50 and the label is given 50 cents. Where do you think the other dollar goes? It certainly doesnt go straight into some fat cat's pocket. There are about 4 or 5 deductions made from each sale often leaving the store with less than the labels 50 cents, this then goes towards the cost of the business (staff, servers, streaming, office space) before there is any profit

Like I said, I dont agree with Beatport's stranglehold on the business but I'm afraid many customers are deluded as to the way the business works.

2010-07-22 07:27


Anonymous says:

"beatport is NOT $2.49 per track. that's just plain LOL. they are $1.49 per track and $2.49 per track if u want the WAV file.

2010-07-21 14:40


fuck them hard says:

"they take everyone's money if you only knew.... labels artists beware they are banking while they can.

2010-07-16 12:54


Admin says:

"oh and about the roberta person you mentioned. I think she's a part of their outsourced team out of Germany. Sounds like they have one person handling all the support stuff?

2010-07-15 22:58


Admin says:

"@beatsupport -- Being a business is one thing but being seen as a respected one is another. Agreed you should definitely only pay attention to those artists with talent, but you have to admit talent isn't really that important to you as you say? Just a glance at your slim choice of featured artists tells us that you have a tendency of playing favorites and not taking time to recognize some new talent. You are playing it safe I suppose. But my point is that your true position deems "talent" not as important as you make it out to be.

@Anonymous -- the numbers are correct. We actually get our numbers from real labels (digital and vinyl) so we know what the numbers truly are!

@Juan -- Thanks for the great detailed post!

@Anonymous -- hosting costs can be cheaper than you think! We also know this because we have friends in the internet streaming community who share their numbers. If bp's costs are high maybe it's due to ignorance and overpriced IT solutions (still a poor excuse in our opinion).

2010-07-15 22:54


Warden says:

"I left Beatport 2 years ago and never looked back.
Music is much easier without these hungry hookers!

2010-07-14 03:32


Anonymous says:

"You should double check your numbers. Label share for exclusive Beatport deals are pretty easily located online and the artist share is definitely more than 64 cents under those contracts.

Also the "article " you link to is pretty dated (2005)
This works now (The GUI doesn’t fit on my screen (1024*768 12” powerbook), so I have to scroll up and down constantly.)

There are Key Commands(It doesn’t flex, and there is no way of using the keyboard for navigation. very frustrating, especially when browsing long lists of artists.)

Browser navigation buttons work (It does away with the whole browser interface paradigm, in effect creating a new application within the application (that means re-learning the navigation, back buttons etc.)

This works last time I checked and links are now in plain text (You lose the benefits of standard things that web browsers do for you (like remembering usernames, passwords on sites, there goes another part of your sales, due to users who forgot their passwords. You can’t search the page for info, something people who search for e.g. a track on the web often do — and you can’t bookmark things. Bookmark?!! Yes, bookmarks are coming back in a big way, I’m using del.icio.us myself. )

They updatedt their Engine(search engines won’t index your catalog)

Seems to run much faster now and I use Firefox and Chrome (It’s slow and buggy on Firefox for Mac OS X (yes, even with the latest plugin) and it doesn’t work well on Linux.)

2010-07-06 08:55


Anonymous says:

"Capitalism, get used to it. While saying that the stores don’t respect artist and charging tones for handling fees, makes it ok for you to download songs illegally. Get real, you have no respect for the artist and you should be ashamed if you make money of stolen songs. Get a job and stop complaining.

2010-07-06 02:43


Beatsupport says:

"Beatport only support those that can make them money! We are a business and we thrive on people's talent. If you aint got talent, then don't even bother us! Plain and damn simple!

2010-07-03 19:59


Juan Coleman says:

"I thought Beatport were struggling? You wouldn't say so by the shocking service I received.

I know you guys read this. So I will echo your smear site... Beatport sucks!

I buy a lot of music. A lot. Not at Beatport, but in general. Tons of Vinyl and now and then CDs. Recently a lot of MP3s

I have been in the biz for 15 years+ and I am addicted to buying and hearing new stuff.

I was 100% behind Beatport but they swung me 180. High tailing out of there.

I am so F't off that I am sitting here at 4:21am in the morning writing this! :(

I actually tried posting on their Facebook wall but they can't take the bad rep so it was being deleted as soon as I wrote it.

Thanks guys! I can only wonder what other atrocious service you hiding since you have someone there ready to jump on some bad word.

Beatport sucks! Why?

Well a lot of reasons, but the final nail in the coffin for me personally was the fact that I download a lot of tracks at once and I only recently noticed some tracks were damaged, or didn't download at all.

So I got in touch with Beatport.

After all... I spent money on these tunes! I paid for stuff I didn't get.

This has been a waste of time, my life, and my stress levels have definately been on the up due to this...

Do I have to go check up every time that every single one of the 30 tracks I downloaded, actually downloaded?

I would have been cool had it been sorted out. But it has not. Not after 6 emails!

Man, its just not cool! I am a pretty chilled person but I really can't take it when I get screwed.

Here is what I wrote to them...
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[FIRST EMAIL:]

I recently bought some music which seems to be damaged. Well they are, they stop midway.

I havent had time until now to try re-download them but I cant.

Beatport only allows 24 hours?

I dont necessarily play all the tracks out the evening upon purchase and only noticed some glitches 2 days after.

I am only contacting you 5 days after.

..............no reply that time............

so i wrote again - a bit frustrated this time - may I add:
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[SECOND EMAIL]

there are some serious issues with your downloads...

dont know whats up but i already wasted too much time on it...

do i now have to go and waste my precious time playing investigator to see what actually downloaded.

I downloaded hundreds of tracks a week through various sites.

if beatport causes doubt in my mind that my tracks are not downloading i will simply not use it.

i already had problems with other tracks but i cant spend more time clearing up issues.

Anyway, this time...

it says I already downloaded the track. it charged me for them and now, its in my downloaded files but i havent actually downloaded it....?

now i found another 3 tracks i already apparently downloaded and paid for? but didnt download yet!

how does that work?

the track is not on my computer. i did check thoroughly.

neither does anyone else use my account for download...

what should i do now to avoid wasting more time on it?
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WOW a reply (a none automated one - amazing!

[THE REPLY:]

Juan,

Thanks for getting in touch with us.
I’ll be sure to pass your suggestion on to the rest of the team for future consideration.

Please find attached your order history so you can check where is this track. If you find it let me know the date of purchase and I'll reset t for you. If there isn't there must be some system mistake... so it means that you can buy it.

Don't hesitate to give me a shout if you have any further questions.

All the best,
Roberta
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[SO I WRITE BACK]

Hi Roberta,

thanks for getting back to me.

Also, thank you for sending the list. I checked with all the music I have on my drive and looks like there is actually a few that didn't download in the past.

In future I will use the Beatport Downloader Application for downloads, I believe that is safer.

It would be great if you could reset the following: I LIST 15 or so Tracks.....
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[The reply to me:]

Hello Juan,

would you be so kind and add the date of purchase to each track you want me to reset?
It would be of great help!!!

Thanks

Roberta
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[I reply]

Hi Roberta,

where would I find the date of purchase?

Kindest regards,

Juan
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[The reply from Beatport:]

Ah! You are right! In the previous version of the invoice creator there was also the date of purchase...!

I will have to look for the individually. As sson as i finish the process I send you a message!

Talk later,
Roberta

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[I HEARD NOTHING, SO I tried again…..]

Hi Roberta,

any news regarding these resets?

Please, please get back to me!

Its been weeks.

I havent bought a track on Beatport since

Please help!

Thanks

Juan
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[THE REPLY:]

Juan,

In my pevious emai I have asked you if you can do this list with the tracks' titles and the date of purchases that you can recover from the excel sheet I have sent you...

I was waiting for the list actually... ;)

Thanks,
Roberta


[MY REPLY]
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um, I sent it to you?

and why is this my job anyway, isn't it yours?

:)

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[THE REPLY:]

Juan,

Thanks!

Talk later,
Roberta


[I HAVE HEARD NOTHING SINCE……..]


I really don't know what the issue is, but I am so over it.

I actually don't give a dogs ass about those tracks any more.

They can keep my money, they can keep their shit vibe and site.

I actually cared about their site, I wanted to help.

I design user interfaces for a living and I was continually sending them feedback to help them improve the site:

They actually used some of these!!!!

HERE ARE A FEW:
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(This was ages ago)

I felt obliged to say that I dont really like using your site.

Its hard to add things to my favourites and just generally not a great browsing experience.

The site should be customizable by the user.

Also, you guys always send me info on music which I am not into. When I look for music on Beatport I am confronted with a too much and its hard for me to "tell" the software what I like and categorize it. You can do it, but it's a waste of time.

I would love to be able to build up a list of my favourite labels and artists and although you have the option - it is not user friendly so I dont use it.

If my favourite labels are at my desposal at a touch of a button it would be so much easier to keep track of what I like.

I think thats the key - making it easier for your clients to keep track of what they like.

I think you should seriously look at how your users experience and use the site.

Some small things could make a huge difference to how users interact with the brand and ultimately drive more sales.
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AND ANOTHER: (this was more recent)

guys how about making the customers library in beatport searchable? so if i am looking to find something I already downloaded. I can find it easier.

i ask this because it says i downloaded the track already but i cant find it in my library.

thanks
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AND ANOTHER:(this was also more recent)

Hi guys,

how about this idea...

I don't know why you guys don't have this functionality...

maybe you do...

So I cue tracks in my playlist before I start work so I can pick tracks which I want to buy.

But then, I need to restart my machine.

Any way of saving my playlist so I can refer back to it at a later stage?

Oh yes, and whats happening with those tracks that didnt download?

I really wanted to drop some this weekend.

Thanks a ton!

Juan


ANYWAY - NOTHING HAPPENED!

SO - I wanted to delete my account, but I couldn't. YOU CANT!!!!!!

So you enter your CREDIT CARD DETAILS, but if you want to close your account you cant!!!

Thanks guys, nice. I am just going to leave my CC details on your shocking site?

I searched the help files… nothing comes up when I search "delete account" or anything similar. Nothing. They don't even consider people wanting to close their accounts?

What?! :S

Anyway, I mailed them twice to delete it. I hope they do.I got the automated response to say they attending to my problem, but you know I don't even trust they will. So I had to go in and change my CC details leaving my account active since I couldn't delete it.

Thanks Beatport for ultra shocking service. Yes, I'm dumb, yes, I'm irritated, yes, yes, the client is always wrong. You know.

Service is a luxury and the music industry is doing so great that you can afford to screw people around.

Enjoy screwing more people!

I AM POSTING THIS ALL OVER THE NET FOR YOU GUYS!

I am making it my personal project.

Oh and there is a Beatport track and a video in the pipeline which I am so super inspired to make pump all over the world. I'm sure people will chant along with the chorus since its just so damn true.

The beauty of digital is its exchangeablity, its ease to distribute. You guys turn its advantages into disadvantages.

I support the artists and the stores that distribute them since I am one of those artists and was a record store owner myself. But I can most certainly see why so many people pirate stuff after trying to use Beatport - its just easier!

Regards,

Juan

2010-07-03 19:27


Anonymous says:

"Most DJs and label owners are retards and that's why they need distributors to get their tracks out to all digital stores.

Also, you'd be an idiot not to think that hosting 1 million MP3 files plus 1 million WAV files and all their cover art isn't gonna cost a small fortune every month.

Take in to account all the additional costs of selling, streaming, renting office space etc and the retailer, distributor, label and artist aren't left much.

Them's the breaks. Get used to it

2010-06-30 12:49


Anonymous says:

"Fuck beatport. I've been boycotting their asses for two years and recommend everyone else does the same.

2010-06-29 08:33


Kill_JOy says:

"@ the buy vinyl comment..

Vinyl is dead..

2010-06-27 20:30


alexc434 says:

"Very nice site!

2010-06-22 08:07


Realist says:

"yep!!! What these stupid retailers should be doing is not reselling tunes, but just charging a minimal fee to host the music (with a very minuscule markup %) because there's nothing that can justify splitting 50/50 .. this isn't a hard goods/vinyl market which lots of people (some respected) have tried to compare it to. Music downloads are a never-ending supply of a digital product so it must be seen for what it is.. and not compared to a completely different market (vinyl).

And whoever says the shops have to cover their advertising costs needs to be aware that most of the effective advertising out there comes from the labels and artists themselves --tweeting/blogging/etc.. with beatport links. So in essence the labels and artists are doing all the grunt-work and still get charged in full. How fair is that?

In other words, the burden of creating advertising material (banners/photos/album art/etc.. that burden is placed on the label and sometimes that job even gets handed down to the artists... so what are beatport (and others) really doing besides capitalizing on 40-50% of a dance music artist's income. That's worse than the IRS!

And it's unnecessary because the overhead and cost of IT for these shops should be minimal (and if it's not.. they are doing something wrong!)

So yes.. beatport.. and anyone else this speaks to -- Stop for a minute and ponder while you sit in your downtown loft living room.. where your artists are living.. what's the quality of their life? Could you make it better? Are you willing to maybe take your own living standards down a few notches to just mayyybe be able give something back to the people who really deserve it?

2010-06-13 07:35


admin says:

"RE: inzunet -- yes or use bandcamp.com where they can retain 100% royalties and manage their own catalog.. opening your own shop is easy enough...

but you would have to have an already existing wide fan base to make a homegrown shop work.

Most people search for music through online retailers..those retailers control the market, therefor partially determine whats "popular" especially through their genre and front page banner campaigns.. they are driving popular electronic music the same way terrestrial radio controls the pop charts..

2010-06-06 01:24


Anonymous says:

"buy vinyl

2010-06-04 15:48


Anonymous says:

"Artists would be better off using inzu.net and getting 90% of their digital sales.

2010-06-04 15:45


Anonymous says:

"All the shops suck... no love for the artists..

2010-05-31 03:40


beatport says:

"What everrrrrrrrrrr

2010-05-30 14:30


v1ru5 says:

"I torrent my tunes, but if I'm in the mood for just listening to awesome tunes then I go to:
http://www.dnbradio.com/flash/nativeradio/player.php

2010-05-28 19:36


a life says:

"get it.

2010-05-27 14:59


Anonymous says:

"Haters

2010-05-27 03:31


Jaded Edge says:

"Until beatport sort their act out and pay properly and build a better site I will carry on illegally downloading music and murdering babies until they stop it. ok.

2010-05-21 03:06


Anonymous says:

"Hey guz, i download music from soulseek.

im a fucking tool.

2010-05-20 19:06


horseycock™ says:

"although some songs are limited to certain download sites, Beatport is better for the consumer. Trackitdown has exclusive tracks, but there is no "redownload" feature like Beatport. Personally, I use Soulseek for electronic music... or just Google and torrents. Fuck paying for music - I pay for live shows.

2010-05-20 00:53


Anonymous says:

"bought an album, realised a track was missing, still waiting for them to sort it out - crap customer service all round. wont be using beatport again.

2010-05-19 22:00


Mr Bo Jangles says:

"Hey guz im a flash website

2010-05-19 20:07


Anonymous says:

"Lots of useful complaints hehe.. Check out this thread on Dogs On Acid

2010-05-18 17:22


Anonymous says:

"regardless of what anyone says to defend Beatport for being you can't deny that the artist payouts should be more! They need to cut out the middle-men/3rd party companies!

2010-05-18 14:18


Anonymous says:

"If you were a broke dh you wouldnt be able to afford vinyl, dick!

2010-05-18 01:15


Anonymous says:

"Broke djs spin VINYL

2010-05-17 18:19


Anonymous says:

"Real DJ's spin VINYL!!!

2010-05-16 21:11


Anonymous says:

"Asked me to do a top ten. wouldn't even give me a £5 voucher.

2010-05-16 03:48


clockwise says:

"garbage interface. overpriced. I prefer cd and ripping the WAV myself or vinyl.

2010-05-15 21:01


beatport sucks says:

"WAV files on beatport aren't only a ripoff for their price, but also because of the fidelity. Almost all of the tracks I've boughten on beatport are just mp3's convert to wav files, so they have the mp3 filtering crap.

Don't buy wavs off of beatport!

2010-05-15 18:08


Anonymous says:

"feels good

2010-05-15 17:26


Anonymous says:

"cool story bro

2010-05-15 17:17


Anonymous says:

"you!!!!

2010-05-15 10:49


Douche Nozzle says:

"Fuck you beat port and the flash your road in on.

2010-05-15 10:48


Anonymous says:

"ithinkmusic.com is good but they need to add the toolkit they have been talking about.. they only take 5% very good for artists..

2010-05-15 04:18


Anonymous says:

"Beatport is super gay.

2010-05-15 01:37


Google.com says:

"My search results for 'beatport sucks'

2010-05-14 23:25


Admin says:

"Here are some average prices as of 2010-05 :
Average price on Juno 05-2010: $1.60 per 320 download / Artist gets $0.47-0.55
Average price on Beatport 05-2010: $2.49 per 320 download / Artist gets $0.47-0.55

2010-05-14 23:05


LocalYocal says:

"Sucks at supporting local talent.

2010-05-14 22:23


Anonymous says:

"Their day will come!!

@Jason do a little bit of research on this and you'll see the numbers..

2010-05-14 23:16


Jason says:

"Explain to me why artists get less than 50cents? Is that really true?

2010-05-14 13:37


Anonymous says:

"I really hate beatport's interface.. I mean they've improved some things, but still.. having to browse their site in a clunky Flash UI is a pain in the ass..

2010-05-11 17:23


Random DJ says:

"I make a decent amount of money when I release on beaport.. but man.. I would def be making way more if our percentage intake was fair... I just don't understand how beatport justifies it's percentage take and it's fees.

2010-05-09 03:14


Anonymous says:

"

2010-05-08 15:05


Anonymous says:

"Wow I'm really disappointed.. My producer friends told me the same thing and it kinda makes me mad!

2010-05-05 18:12


Kim A. says:

"I guess I'll be the first to say I used to think these sites were a way for indie artists to make a decent living from selling music.. I've done a small amount of research already and it looks like I was totally wrong. I hope things change .. and soon!

2010-05-05 22:10